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Rouzmary
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so, those Pandora Hearts fans, who've read till chap 65 can read on, others no unless you wanna spoilers ^^














Let's begin. Ok, chap 65 was sooo shocking, seriously i didn't expect something like that. 'Till now we all(or at least i think most people) thought that Glen was the bad guy & all, and even thou i also thought he's the bad one i still felt sad for him, but now it turns out that he wasn't the bad guy but Jack, the hero was ?? that was one big plot twist, in my opinion, i totally didn't see it coming O.O

so to make it clear:
1# the one in sealing stones isn't Jack - it's actually Glen
2# that means that the ones Baskervilles are trying to um bring back is actually Jack not Glen - as everyone thought including the Baskervilles themselves
3# Jack was the one who had all those thoughts about darkness & Lacie - not Glen

and now does that mean that Jack was the one who brought about the tragedy of Sabrie ??
& while i wrote it all it occurred to me that until now we thought that:
* in Oz is Jack - the good guy, hero, killed Glen to save others(?) etc
* in Leo is Glen - the bad guy, want's to destroy the will of the Abyss

but now it looks like their roles are reversed, it's like Jack became Glen & Glen became Jack confused ?at least in their personalities, but doesn't that mean, that til now Jack simply put on a good act making everyone think that? well Glen didn't put on any act seeing how we haven't actually seen him all that much, so no act there

...complicated, reminds me of Tsubasa confused ^^

and to make it full, what was that about Alice being transparent?she's disappearing??& let's not forget that The Will of the Abyss, wasn't she trying to achieve her wish together with Jack?that made it even more complicated...

waaah, i need some more time to re-think it all...

so any other opinions, people? seriously, i wanna know what others think roll

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I'm with you! This threw me completely off and for a loop. I think that the part where Alice disappears though, is about when Oz uses B-Rabbit's powers since they are linked and all. But still! Jack, evil? What a twist! I seriously doubt anyone saw that comming!

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The chapter totally MINDFUCKED me! I was like speechless. Except for when I kept saying "what." Like, holy shit. Total plot twist. So now we know Glen is really Gilbert's master, not Jack. But it makes me wonder if the flashbacks that we saw with Gil, Vincent, and Jack are actually true.

Also, I get that Jack is the one in love with Lacie but is Glen in love with her too? She kind of looks like a Baskerville so maybe she's part of his family. Or there was a love triangle.

Also, we now see the reason that Gilbert seems to never die. It says that he is one of Glen's "kind." So does that mean Gilbert and Vincent are related to Glen?

Well, I LOVED THIS CHAPTER! The author really handled these plot twists nicely. It never once seemed to me like it was one of those plot twists that she threw in there just to fuck with us. You can tell she planned it. But at the same time you are left in the same state of shock as the other characters. Because all the real evidence that we had that Glen was the bad guy was the word of Jack. Who we now know is a big fat liar. Which I totally didn't see coming. SO FUCKING GOOD! And 70 pages to boot. Hell yeah! biggrin

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What the effing heck?!

Dang, I'm totally with you guys! First time I came across Pandora Hearts I thought it's just another cliched manga with bishouni-fied characters...til the last few chapters! So this means that everything they've (the good guys and the Baskervilles) are all lies, and Jack may not even be the Hero we thought he was?!

So what happens next? Will Oz-kun turn into a dead-bad-guy-pretending-to-be-hero-possessed bad guy. (that's a mouthful ^^") Still, who the heck is this Lacie character? How is she and Alice and the Will connected? dangit. Mochizuki-sensei is an effing genius! I just can't guess what happens next!!!!

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and another thing: how come everyone thought Jack's the hero?? that must have been one big feat to make everyone believe that lie for hundred years O.o

she(Mochizuki) totally got us...

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Quote from Rouzmary
and another thing: how come everyone thought Jack's the hero?? that must have been one big feat to make everyone believe that lie for hundred years O.o

she(Mochizuki) totally got us...


eyes But we're still not sure how things were back then... I still have hope that Jack's not some lying yandere character... like chap 65's making him look like. But with that smile on his face after he slashed Gil freaked me out...

Dammit! Now I'm effing excited for 66!!!

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wow this was one long, very intense chapter @_@ i'm still shocked...i've never been so shocked reading a manga ever before. this is like, mind blowing...but a mind blowing genius plot O_O

i have sooo many questions to what will happen next!!! well the main is i wonder what's gonna happen with oz....is his body gonna be controlled by jack confused will gil still be oz's faithful servant confused D: they have to be together! gil and oz have this crazy deep bond that it would suck to be broken because of stupid jack. well i guess the bond kinda kept going because gil thought he owed oz cuz of jack. man oh man oh man, i'm so excited for the upcoming chapters!!!

....and OMG...am i really slow? or has someone already noticed that alice is an anagram for "lacie?" @_@ mind blown a second time!!

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I wasn't able to read all the posts so please forgive me if I repeat anything.

First off, I was ELATED that the newest chapter had 70 pages. Lots to read, yay ^_^

Anyway....

I was mindblown by this chapter. I cannot express my growing love enough, because I thought I loved this manga more than enough already. Geez. It just keeps getting better and better!

I have a theory that Alice is Lacie and Jack's daughter. When Alice was murdered, her personality split her into two people: Alyss and Alice. OR Alyss and Alice are the two halves of Lacie. Which is why Alice loved Jack dearly when she was human and why Alyss continues to love and wait for Jack in the Abyss.

...And did you ever realize that Lacie and Alice have the same letters?

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Ohh GOD poor Oz he just gotten through elliot's death and now the one inside him whom he trust is an ax crzy lol

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Ok, so I guessed that Lacie was Alice a bit ago.
But EVERYTHING ELSE in this chapter just completely shocked me.

So I wonder if Vincent knew the truth of things? GOD. They need a chapter that just easily explains everything. laugh

I hope that the friendship between Eliot and Oz isn't destroyed by this (if Eliot lives hahaha...) (I hope hope hope that Eliot knows that Jack controlled Oz for the moment) I would hate to see Eliot bear a grudge against Oz

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Ok, so I guessed that Lacie was Alice a bit ago.
But EVERYTHING ELSE in this chapter just completely shocked me.

So I wonder if Vincent knew the truth of things? GOD. They need a chapter that just easily explains everything. laugh

I hope that the friendship between Eliot and Oz isn't destroyed by this (if Eliot lives hahaha...) (I hope hope hope that Eliot knows that Jack controlled Oz for the moment) I would hate to see Eliot bear a grudge against Oz

are you talking about Leo? cuz Elliot is already dead o.O

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Quote from marthy13
Quote from Aeylis
Ok, so I guessed that Lacie was Alice a bit ago.
But EVERYTHING ELSE in this chapter just completely shocked me.

So I wonder if Vincent knew the truth of things? GOD. They need a chapter that just easily explains everything. laugh

I hope that the friendship between Eliot and Oz isn't destroyed by this (if Eliot lives hahaha...) (I hope hope hope that Eliot knows that Jack controlled Oz for the moment) I would hate to see Eliot bear a grudge against Oz

are you talking about Leo? cuz Elliot is already dead o.O


Lol I was thinking the same thing XD

Anyhow, I can't wait for the next chapter. I even got about three of my friends to start on this series ^_^ WE MUST LEAVE A LEGACY.


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The things you swore
You saw yourself...

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