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pumpupthevolume
Post #502062 - Reply to (#501951) by Crenshinibon
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well i dont really know how you can regulate financial influence in Washington confused that sounds like lobbying to me lol, and you're right the Supreme Court isnt exactly ruling on Obamacare as whole, but just like in majority of their cases, they will give their opinion on Obamacare as a whole (as they so often do)....the protesters basically want regulation similar to Canada's. As in they want a wall between Commercial and Investment banking (which is why Canada avoided the banking crash in 08), and which is why Europe is in a midst of a Banking collapse as well (if my memory serves me right), Oh yeah, and they want the major finance companies like Goldman Sachs to be prosecuted, but yeah i agree with you i too have seen some signs that really arent relevant to the initial protests (but alas like all protests usually turn out like this laugh )


Obamacare =/= universal healthcare. If you look at what it actually does it's really not the same thing. At all.

I don't really get how you can regulate that either (donation caps and the like have historically not worked well), but the originating organizations seem to state that as the purpose for the protest (though without central leadership things have obviously expanded into an absurdly muddled ball of tar), so all your statements about demands would seem to be some of the many mistaken impressions the entire thing has given off. Hence my problem with it.

I was going to launch into a rant about Canadian economics here, but I think I'll drop it because I'm already quite close to straying into a wide digression.



i understand where you're coming from, but the months leading up to occupy wallstreet the 100s of people that signed up had created a list of reasons what they will be occupying for, and have since been narrowed by more prominent members to: healthcare, 1% tax, banking regulation, and i guess tuition fees (although tuition fees seem like it took a backseat from my point of view). And PM me! i'd like to hear your point of view on Canada's economy lol

oh yeah @chocolate, yeah i like ron paul too (compared to the other candidates so far lol), but yeah its amazing what the media can do, i still think Ron Paul still has a chance he's been slowly creeping forward, and still has a pretty strong internet background.

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Wow guys, wow. At least we didn't embarrass ourselves like we did in June.

I don't see how comparing Occupy Vancouver with the riots have to do with anything. They're separate entities.

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People are starting to have a tent thing on my school campus too. My thoughts: "meh, would be fun if it weren't cold. I wants my chicken curry and homework time."

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This was the last place I expected to see this kind of discussion, but since people are talking about it...

"Occupy Wallstreet" is really pointless. As in, the protesters don't have a "point" or a demand. Also, it's very hard to believe all those people can just abandon everything to occupy there for an extended period of time, unless someone in the background is providing food and money. In fact, some of the organizers for D.C. protest admitted that not all protesters are volunteers. I feel like their real agenda is take away the blame from Democrats who played a big part in getting us into this mess, though to be fair, I'm sure Republicans wouldn't have done much better.

Anyway, America's economical problem can't be solved like this. The real problem is that we produce nothing, which Wall Street did have influence on (they encouraged corporations to outsource everything to save costs). And our government is spending and printing money like crazy. Our problem is going to keep getting worse and I don't see it changing in the near future.

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I always think those people who protest about something don't really understand what they're protesting about. Seems pretty stupid and pointless to me. I heard on the news the other day someone said they were going to protest until the end of capitalism no

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i agree that Occupy Wallstreet needs a clearer message. Its basically a bunch of people who are frustrated about the way things are (justifiably so) getting together to complain. They don't have a clear enough plan of action, like these are the exact laws we want enacted or reformed. But I don't really blame the protesters for this because very few people understand exactly how the economy works.

at the same time, I hate how the media just completely writes off the protests as a bunch of liberal hippies too lazy to get a job. the media just seemed overly critical of the protests, and weren't trying to understand where these people were coming from. I don't really get whats up with the US media and their hatred of protesting. When it was happening in the middle east, they were fully behind it, talking about how great freedom and democracy is and how people should have the right to have their voices heard. As soon as it happens domestically they try to paint protesters as crazy and tell them to shut up and go away.

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I made a short commentary about it for our school paper, since not too many people understood it. I got most of my information from the OWS official website, and various newspapers around the world. I hope it can help some people here as well.
http://www.mediafire.com/?jujnbbdvgyf3b4x

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I always think those people who protest about something don't really understand what they're protesting about. Seems pretty stupid and pointless to me. I heard on the news the other day someone said they were going to protest until the end of capitalism no


The media is ridiculous, not the protest.


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i agree that Occupy Wallstreet needs a clearer message. Its basically a bunch of people who are frustrated about the way things are (justifiably so) getting together to complain. They don't have a clear enough plan of action, like these are the exact laws we want enacted or reformed. But I don't really blame the protesters for this because very few people understand exactly how the economy works.


Wrong, the Ocuppy doesn't need a clearer goals, it is what it is because it doesn't have them.
Americans are still sheep, you can't let the shepherd truly understand what is happening, if he does, he can put the sheep back in order.

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Some see it as a sign of a deteriorating country, a sign of anarchy and evil propagated by the Left in order to hide its failures.

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i agree that Occupy Wallstreet needs a clearer message. Its basically a bunch of people who are frustrated about the way things are (justifiably so) getting together to complain. They don't have a clear enough plan of action, like these are the exact laws we want enacted or reformed. But I don't really blame the protesters for this because very few people understand exactly how the economy works.


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Wrong, the Ocuppy doesn't need a clearer goals, it is what it is because it doesn't have them.
Americans are still sheep, you can't let the shepherd truly understand what is happening, if he does, he can put the sheep back in order.


while i can understand the whole, "lets not tip our hand" idea, i doubt most of the protesters are thinking this way. imo the protests don't have much of a chance of actually accomplishing anything at this point because there aren't explicit goals.

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Occupy Is not a example of clear goals, because its just angry people with no leadership.

as a group they likely have very little in common, besides anger.

But the overall goal is something like Legislation is NEUTERED by not wanted to offend corporations. nothing has any teeth, and when corporations misbehave they get bailouts and no regulations or accountability.

Bush should be tried for treason for the bailouts. and promptly executed.

Trial should be, are you bush, YES, fire. save the taxpayers the expense of a bullshit trial.

Really more of a lynching.

Theres more **** than that, but its mainly Corporations are running the country not Elected government, who serve the people.

Corporations are NOT people.

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I always think those people who protest about something don't really understand what they're protesting about. Seems pretty stupid and pointless to me. I heard on the news the other day someone said they were going to protest until the end of capitalism no


The media is ridiculous, not the protest.


Totally agreed Klapzi. There are important issues involved in the Wall Street protests, but the media have chosen to focus on the biggest fools in the protest in order to mostly discredit the protestors. (For example, there were plenty of people there in business attire, but early media coverage focused on anyone and everyone dressed like hippies and who sounded stupid. To an extent, the media is still doing this.)

The fact that the protests have persisted is what is finally making the media begin taking them seriously. Also the fact that big-name academics like Cornell West (English & Cultural Studies), Lawrence Lessig (Law), and Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz (Economics) have joined in supporting the protests. But a lot of major news sources would still rather get quotes from the unwashed hippie in the fountain than actually air any part of the speeches West, Stiglitz, etc. have delivered at the protests. You have to go to youtube, rather than NBC or whoever if you want to hear them.

You can watch Stiglitz's speech here:
http://bwog.com/2011/10/03/stiglitz-speaks-at-occupy-wall-street /

Or just read about it here:
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/10/05/occupy_wall_street_s tiglitz_lessig_west_lend_protests_intellectu.html

If the protests were the result of stupidity and people who don't really understand what they were talking about, then I doubt a Nobel laureate would be bothering with them.

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There are major problems with America right now, and I think OWS is expressing that. I like that.

It would be nice if it could spur some change for the better, but honestly I'm not hoping for much. I feel as though America is just going downhill in almost every way. But perhaps that's pessimism and me being off topic.



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I'm in favor of the protest, and I have a feeling a few people here are getting their facts from the main stream media. Places like Fox and even CNN have had many attempts to smear their message and focus on the few people in the protest that seem radical or don't know what they're there for.

They act like the protests are absolutely violent, but thus far most of the Occupy protest has been quite peaceful. There are always exceptions of course, not everyone in the protest will play nice, but majority of the people are going about this in a peaceful manner.

Don't listen to the news on the TV for this situation, don't you question why they were so in favor of Tea Party protests, but shun the Occupy Protests? Called Teapartiers "patriots" for protesting what they wanted to chance, but dismiss Occupy for basically the same thing?

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i agree that Occupy Wallstreet needs a clearer message. Its basically a bunch of people who are frustrated about the way things are (justifiably so) getting together to complain. They don't have a clear enough plan of action, like these are the exact laws we want enacted or reformed. But I don't really blame the protesters for this because very few people understand exactly how the economy works.


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Wrong, the Ocuppy doesn't need a clearer goals, it is what it is because it doesn't have them.
Americans are still sheep, you can't let the shepherd truly understand what is happening, if he does, he can put the sheep back in order.


while i can understand the whole, "lets not tip our hand" idea, i doubt most of the protesters are thinking this way. imo the protests don't have much of a chance of actually accomplishing anything at this point because there aren't explicit goals.


You miss the point. This protest point is not take over the governement, it is not force it to change, it's point is to make americans do something they haven't done for a century. THINK.

Why is the media trying to hide the protest?
Why some try to label it as evil when they where helping the revolution in Lybia?

Some time ago, one of the world's most important Geopoliticians was asked, "Is there a way to solve the US?"
He laughed and said "Explode it."

He was joking, but it certainly wasn't that far from his real opinion. How could you hope the people who cheered Osama's death to understand the problems within their government?

And here, in a manga forum, I'm seeing for the first time that the cycle can be broken.

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Glancing, I see attempts that people are using the main stream media as something other than what they are.

The main stream media isn't smearing occupy wallstreet. well, maybe they are, but its expected. without a spokesperson the media will just free rein do whatever they want to make a story.

You'd have to be brain damaged to take them seriously though. They haven't been focused on ACCURACY since before walter kronkite. seriously they idolize WALTER KRONKITE for pete's sake.

Man was a spin artist like you wouldn't believe. when he died they were all about his ****ing YACHT, like I should give a ****. Out of touch doesn't begin to describe them.

and then they bemoan the only people following thier **** casts are the elderly with no common sense, but dementia is similiar to brain damage. they are dying. being replaced by something that is coming.

the Occupy Wallstreet HASN'T made its demands clear though.

they haven't said what it will take to get them to leave their protest.

I figure what it will take is something like a winter storm. but they can't really be misrepresented when they haven't represented themselves.

Its not really to be expected for the media to NOT be lazy. Nobody is holding the media accountable, maybe thats part of their point.

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