As the description says it's a sub-genre for porn but I see some titles under it that are not at all pornographic.
Should the lolicon genre be removed in those series or is the description of the genre incorrect and maybe admins should consider changing it?

Well, if it is inaccurate then we should definitely change it...

Here's a list of those that are tagged 'lolicon' but non-pornographic:
- Ichigo Mashimaro
- Junkie Fiction
- Kodomo no Jikan
- Tokyo Akazukin (or maybe not)
Actually, some of the above might actually be made to have lolicons as their targetted readers.There's only a few of them but if the tag is for someone who wants to avoid the genre completely, there are more titles that requires this tag. I think the genre's description is really misleading, and it doesn't even say that it contains under-aged girls. Maybe the part about being pornographic should be removed since they could just add the hentai or ecchi genre in case it is?
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Uhh... Reki, why are you looking at me like that?...No I'm not like that... Actually. I'm into older women, rly.

Last edited by donkabu at 12:25 pm, Dec 7 2006

I looked up the definition on google.. I think this is more relevant of a definition. If those others don't match the genre definition then we should probably remove those genres from those titles.

If that's how it is then. It's you guys', site admins', choice anyway.
I brought it up for reference, just in case.

Lolicon is short for lolita complex. It does not mean pornography though it can. Stuff like Ichigo Mashimaro, Kodomo no Jikan, Today in Class 5-2, etc. are lolicon in my book.

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Hmm.. I just looked this up on wikipedia, and apparently lolicon is illegal in the U.S..... I was unaware of this...

How can they make drawn pictures illegal? That just seems kinda absurd to me!? I think I might have to make sure to start censoring some stuff here on the site so I don't get in trouble..

Well i'm not sure, but reading here, it seemed to me that it was actually legal in the US, but it is illegal however in Canada...
And this kinda surprise me, I always though of lolicon as something close to (but not exactly the same as) moe...

The term moe is what describes, or at least tries its best describing, the Akiba lifestyle. And lolicon wouldn't really be synonymous as it is just a mere page of it. Moe includes maids, nurses, bunny girls, hot teachers, younger/older sisters and childhood friends. Maybe you should just screw the 'lolicon' genre and make a 'moe' category?

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To lolicon, ( and childporn )

The main debate is if childporn is illegal if no real children are hurt, missused, showed naked, ......... So is childporn illegal if no child is hurt or missused in anyway. This of course differs from state to state. Many ( germany, kanada, us,.. ) say it is. And lolicon then falls into the virtual childporn categorie. So in theory, having lolicon on your computer is on the same level as using photoshop to make fake pictures of little girls in swimsuits doing ..... ( use dirty sick imagination you wish you didn't have ).

The main problem with comics is to decide when a female is drawn as a girl or a young women. Ain't ne easy way to decide that.

It would be wierd to be a member of a webpage labeled as pro pedofile. If i was an admin i might feel really akward.

sex and children (in the context of lolicon/shoutacon) should never go together

thats the moral dilemma which supports the law against lolicon/shoutacon

the dangers arise from the implications and themes given by the genres, subconciously they may influence the way a person thinks and therefore acts (at some level anyways)

to be on the safe side it'd probably be easier to remove any manga with explicit sexual content... either that or really go through a lot of filtering...
either way its a lot of work... best of luck


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that really isn't an option, that would mean removing a lot of stuff. Half the seinen section would be gone. As would all yaoi.

I don't think there really is pressing need to remove anything, because mangaupdates doesn't provide any downloads. And it doesn't make sense to worry to much about braking sex laws considering scanslation is ( more or less ) piracy.

As I understand it, lolicon/shoutacon hentai is not considered illegal in the U.S. There is a tangible difference between actual child porn (photoshopped or not), and drawned characters.

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I admit i don't have reliable knowledge, but i don't think thats necesarily the case. A 3D computergenerated childporn is illegal, so would 2D images, and from there it is just a spitting distance to drawn pictures.

that is so true, but at the same time, we wouldn't want the site to close down because of such a controversal type topic

playing too safe is boring of course, but not playing safe at all means drawing attention to the manga/anime community and if its bad attention i'm sure it'll have bad consequences

stereotypical as it is, i'm worried that one day a mother of some child will raise the issue and one way or another, we'll lose it all

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