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here's how much i care for your ranting, crisis: *yawnnn*
Awww, that's not very nice, Tran~ You've hurt my feelings~ I should ban you for that! :3
@FoolsLove,
Hm. Not what I was hoping for, but that's ok, we can't always get what we want.
Yes, if it wasn't for NOEZ, things would not have escalated as they have, but does that mean it is ok for things to continue down that path, in the righteous name of defeating NOEZ and the evil way of doing things for profit? No. What people need to, and what many HAVE, realize(d) is that you aren't going to stop this by doing such simple things, and that it merely causes trouble for everybody when you try to. Yes, I am telling you to simply give up on that route. You can not win against a foe who
simply does not give a fuck, and them not giving a fuck has been proved time and time again. Its like throwing bricks against a rubber wall and watching them come back at you.
You are correct, however, about scanlation dying. In the years I have been active, I have seen many good groups come and go, and many shitty ones stay. It is pathetic, and I am sure those that have been active much longer than I have seen worse things happen. However, watermarks do NOT help the good groups in the long run. I'm GLAD Japanzai has decided to pull that bullshit you originally linked to, because they are only hurting themselves in doing that, and that would be one less shit group. Eventually, a better group will pick up the slack, for better reasons than internet fame, and will do the right thing and simply release it FOR THE FANS. Anybody doing these things for any reason other than that deserves to have people profit from them. I know that is a pretty harsh view of things, but it's pretty pathetic to be doing it for any other reason, me thinks. Take Hox, for example. He is one of the best scanlators out there, and he gives zero fucks, or rather, realizes that he can't control people in the first place, which is where a lot of the problems come from nowadays. Is it so wrong for people to want to be given credit for their work? Certainly not, but it
is for them to get so wrapped up in it that they lose sight of things.
Ah, you bring up a good point with your fourth paragraph, though, because if we didn't use sites like those, we wouldn't be bitching, right? Except that's wrong. It was at Batoto, which is supposed to be helping all of this, that I've seen the Japanzai bullshit to begin with.
Watermarks are working? How? Like that other guy said earlier; convenience is king, and people are going to go to the places that give them the easiest and fastest ways of getting things, regardless of whether or not it is right, or if it is even killing the scene as a whole in the long run. People just suck like that, you know?
Look, I'm terrible at things like this, but the point that I am trying to get across is that it really doesn't matter what you do, because people are always going to bitch, and people are always going to go for the easiest way of things.
Most people, anyway. Working towards a solution isn't a bad thing, but making sacrifices along the way is.We shouldn't have to deal with stupid things such as watermarks, or groups withholding releases to make a point, just because things aren't going the way they want. Its childish and moronic to allow such things to occur, and even more so to do it yourselves. Of course, it is also childish to think the way I do at times, so, what do you know? We're all damn children arguing about who is right and who is wrong on the playground known as online entertainment piracy, and you know what? None of it matters.
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Aw, man, this is coming off way more emotional than I was hoping for. Feels bad, man.
Oh, and I shouldn't have to say this, but all of the preceding is my opinion, and mine alone. It does not represent what Mangaupdates thinks as a whole.
Just thought I should throw that out there, since I'm pretty extremist in my views on this, as a whole, and it may look bad if people thought otherwise.
Now, come on. There are obvious flaws in what I said, and I know one of you is going to pick apart each and every one of them until you think I'll be too embarrassed by your superior logic that I wont want to continue with my fanaticism or even come back here at all. So hurry up, then. I'm simply wanting a debate for the fun of it, no other reason, so lets not take this personally, okay guys? :3