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8:43 am, Mar 8 2012
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cautious?

in our country, we have a word "sigurista", meaning being sure of something first before doing it, which I'm not sure what the translation is, but its root word means sure in english. If you want to make it sound like a positive thing, how about a person who has absolute certainty, or confidence.

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Alright, let me try... but I might be wrong cause I dislike philosophy...

In portuguese the word is "Empirismo". Google translator said it's "empiricism" xD

Is quite close to rationalism, but "(...) empiricists claim that sense experience is the ultimate source of all our concepts and knowledge (...)"

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/

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How about 'perfectionist'? I like to describe myself with that.

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i think the german word bodenständig would fit. dictionary says it is "to be grounded" in english

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Skeptic? Profaner? Materialist? Those would fit the first part.
But a person who only does things when certain they'll succeed? Coward? Recreant?
Be sure that you are indeed looking for an actual word; people often wish there were words for certain meanings and end up mixing words to form their own, albeit they cannot remember what those word are since they are not real words.

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you can make up your own word if you like. search for "gambler" in any Latin lang. and add "a" or "an" in front of it. then start promoting the word. who knows 10 years later the word might be included in oxford or Cambridge

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If there were such a word it would be false, so it isn't surprising if none exists.

There are quite few things in human perception about which we can be a 100% certanity.universals for example(a more exact word for Platos' "ideas" should anyone care). So most of our judgements are dependent on the Law of Induction. It says more or less that something becomes more probable the more examples suggesting it to be true you have. And by a sufficient number of examples the probability becomes high enough for you to accept it as true.But the certainity is still not 100%.

An example: if you know some proof like a picture taken from the orbit you can say the big thing you are standing and which is called earth is a globe.the earth is a undeniable fact(if you don't deny the existence of matter).you can be sure it is there. but you can't be sure that it is still there tomorrow(because the sun could blow up or whatever). it is just highly probable for it to be there tomorrow because it was never different. (yeah it was a poorly chosen example for if the earth vanished no one would be left to care or "perceive" it)

As for your question...let's say someone would try to only do things he can be sure of and he wants to go out to buy some food.then he couldn't go because he can never be certain to arrive there. he could get hit by a car or even a meteor or whetever.just about anithing might happen on the way on that he has no influence. the probability is there even if not very high.(I remember a boy some years ago whos' hand was hit by a little meteor on his way to school)
so we all have to take a little gamble to make it through the day.

as one sees it's unlikely for such a word to exist because it wouldn't make sense


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@Jelzin89; I'd say your of track there, I didn't speak about not being able to accept "chance" or things outside of ones ability to predict.
(and words can't be false, words have meaning even if they aren't "accepted", and a mix letters are not a word but scribbles, but as long as it carries a meaning it is a word, even if the meaning is not known)

So, let's see, I've gotten quite a bit of suggestions, but so far I haven't seen one that repersents hte meaning I search for so it might not exist (never thought I'd be failed by the english vocabulary ^^).

However I'll try to describe the concept again:
To only act upon what one knows, not what one belifes.

The issue is that there are 2 kinds of "knowing", though I find it hard to define the second one.

#1: Knowing based on that you belive what you know is 100% True(certain).
For example;
I know I was born from the woman I call mother.
Germany was involved in World War II
I know I can trust my friend

¤ These are all based on a belif that you information(knowledge) is 100% correct(certain), even if birht paper and fotos exist it cant 100% confirm that you are were born from her.
¤ Germany was involved you say? and you say you know it? but that "Knowing" is based on that you belive what you've learned is true(not say that it isnt^^).

#2: Knowing based on absolute certainty?(I find this one hard to define)
Example:
I know 1+1=2, I dont belive it.
I know it rained to day, because I experienced it.

Can you say that there is knowledge based on Belife and knowledge based on Certainty?

So I gues simply, someone who'ed be that opposite of a "Risk Taker" or "Gambler"
(Safe Walker? Nochanceer? Nevergambler?)

For example; I would never Bet becuse I believe I would win, I would only Bet if I knew I would win.
(If you rigg a game for example you can ensure your win, you would bet "Knowing" you'd win not belive you would).

Thanks once more for letting me trouble you.

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For what you first described:

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I want a word that the describe the way of not trusting in chance or luck, someone who don't belive things can happen without one making it happen themself.


Wouldn't 'self-reliant' or 'autonomous' work?

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To only act upon what one knows, not what one belifes.


This seems like a slightly different concept - maybe something like 'to behave assuredly'?



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#2: Knowing based on absolute certainty?(I find this one hard to define)
Example:
I know 1+1=2, I dont belive it.
I know it rained to day, because I experienced it.

Can you say that there is knowledge based on Belife and knowledge based on Certainty?

So I gues simply, someone who'ed be that opposite of a "Risk Taker" or "Gambler"
(Safe Walker? Nochanceer? Nevergambler?)

For example; I would never Bet becuse I believe I would win, I would only Bet if I knew I would win.
(If you rigg a game for example you can ensure your win, you would bet "Knowing" you'd win not belive you would).

Thanks once more for letting me trouble you.


someone who never takes any risk?how about coward?

for your other questions...for example:"Can you say that there is knowledge based on Belife and knowledge based on Certainty?"
the book "Problems of Philosophie" by bertrand russel should help you there.


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Me and my friend decided that, in the absence of a word we should make one up. So we came up with

Fortunist - Someone who believes soley in luck, both good and bad, as the driving force of the universe.

Infortunist - Someone who does not believe in luck and that people make their own luck/must take charge of their own lives.

Antifortunist - Someone who wants to commit suicide in a violent manner. (There is a story behind this, but it's long and one of those "you have to be there" things)

Now, go forth and spread the words, bigrazz

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I can't think of a word that fits but I can think of an example; the Contracters from Darker than Black

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Someone like this would typically be described as deliberate or calculating. Someone who leaves nothing to chance might be described as a tactician, a strategist, or a chessmaster.These are appropriate for someone who uses planning to avert luck and chance.

If someone instead uses hard work or skill to avoid things being left to chance, he would be described as disciplined or prepared. Someone who is always training to overcome obstacles is usually described as skilled, or by their level of mastery in whatever they wish to overcome. They may also be called a boyscout or batman.

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#2: Knowing based on absolute certainty?(I find this one hard to define)
Example:
I know 1+1=2, I dont belive it.
I know it rained to day, because I experienced it.

Can you say that there is knowledge based on Belife and knowledge based on Certainty?

Thanks once more for letting me trouble you.


It really sounds like the word you are looking for is 'scientific' or 'logical;' perhaps even 'grounded.'

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