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Post #530265 - Reply to (#530261) by zinny103090
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4:44 pm, Dec 6 2007
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Okies, well although I've never heard of "Narutobuzz" before, and since
i rather just buy my copy of Naruto from my bookstore i don't actually download
Naruto chapters online.
To the subject of "bashing" i totally agree with zinny.
Because I am responsible for my own scanlation group, i know what it feels
to hear "complaints" from stupid people who don't help, and don't donate, but
feel like they have the right to say that a particular scan group is so slow, and
say all these bad things bout them when some scan groups don't threaten
for donations, and don't even request for donations and ARE DOING IT FOR FREE.
Now i also agree with Moonie.. I don't feel that a scanlation group should
"threaten" for people to donate or they will no longer release and the funny thing
is "ginenbijnoam" is also correct. Most shounen releases come in 10 diff
versions... which is ridiculously a waste of time.
What everyone says is true to some degree, but seriously
what people do with their money is up to them.
Narutobuzz never "forced" anyone to do anything, but we can say
they were persistent on insisting for donators.

Furthermore, what Moonie is doing is enforcing his/her right of free speech.
Maybe, he/she could tone it down because after all, we are scanlating FOR FREE, and we don't get PAID.
Even with donations, you barely get that much money anyways.

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Post #530266 - Reply to (#530264) by Anima
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5:10 pm, Dec 6 2007
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To Anima:
People ask for donations because they want help.
It's their right to do so, and if people "want" to help them, it's up to them.
and since you are on Baka-updates/Manga Updates... it is
very likely that you also download from Online.
So here, we hear this coming from a person like you..
It looks very good. =]
You're saying that they claim to use it for their website?
Do you have proof that they do use it for other places?
How much money do you even think they receive from donations?
It costs a lot of money to use their own server, so until
YOU actually made a scanlation group and fend for yourself don't
talk smack. ^_^

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Post #530267 - Reply to (#530261) by zinny103090
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5:34 pm, Dec 6 2007
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lol, someone seems very indecisive and rather invasive of taking a side ; ). though id like to clarify wat i was saying earlier since i didnt really proofread wat i wrote. especially to moondoggle, wat i ment about people who r trash was purely directed to the kind of ppl who complain as in my example, not u, unless of course u complain to groups about their slow releases too. basically wat i was trying to say in a nut shell is to respect the scan group to at least some degree, as everyone deserves at least a little bit of dignity especially since they r disbanding their group. yes u r certainly entitled to ur opinion and yes this is only my opinion, though i guess wat some other people have said struck a nerve as it was extremely derogative and very insensitive.
as well reguarding wat RC said to anima: rofl, lmao, lol, total ownage xD

Post #530268 - Reply to (#530265) by [RCxFace]
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5:44 pm, Dec 6 2007
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They're entitled to complain if they want. There are two approaches to it, either you ignore them and continue what you're doing, or you lash out against them.
Even as a hobby, it's a hobby with an audience, and simply, if they do not feel the effort you put in or the results you produce are up to par then it's not unfounded criticism. Unless the whole purpose of your work is to provide speed-scans or a quick translation to satisfy people until a longer-taking higher quality version is released, there's no rush. But you have to be reasonable with how long you do take.
Scanlating should be a choice, not for recognition or superstardom. And paid or not the key is to spread the ideas and works of another person through a different language- if you are inept you shouldn't get a free pass at butchering it just because it's gratis. Strive for excellence, and take pride in the results you achieve, but if you ever find it becoming more work than play, then stop. Unless you're dedicated to bringing it to the community and won't trust anyone else to finish it, feel free to vanish. You aren't obligated to complete it to the end, and you don't owe it to anyone. When you begin to complain more about ungrateful leechers than being excited over whatever plot advancements in the latest chapter you've released, I believe that's a pretty good sign of having to take a break.

But then again, only a few scanlators seem to truly enjoy what they're doing anyway, and those who don't aren't really impeded by their feelings.

Post #530269 - Reply to (#530265) by [RCxFace]
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5:59 pm, Dec 6 2007
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sorry, but i fail to realize how what I say about narutobuzz has any correlation with your scanlation group. my beef isn't with your scanlation group or what people do with their money, as i have said before. It's the fact that a group has nerve to try and cheat people out of that money.

Post #530270 - Reply to (#530267) by zinny103090
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6:11 pm, Dec 6 2007
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you wrote in your post that people bashing groups is "exactly the same" as people who nag at groups for being so slow, and that's how i interpreted that i'm trash in your eyes, because I am bashing narutobuzz/ninjabuzz to an extant. But not for the reason of scanlation speed. i really cant stand those types that think they are allowed to have a say in how fast something should be. i've said my reason numerous times already as to why i bash.

Post #530271 - Reply to (#530266) by [RCxFace]
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6:31 pm, Dec 6 2007
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i'm not trying to bash or flame you in anyway, but until you've learned of narutobuzz's history, you really should refrain from asking for proof or telling others not to talk. it's as bad as someone telling a scanlation group to hurry up with releases when said person doesn't know the effort it takes to scan one chapter. wouldn't you agree?

Post #530272 - Reply to (#530269) by MoonDoggie
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6:38 pm, Dec 6 2007
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If you did read my post, I said because i am responsible for my own scanlation group, i "know what it feels like." I know what you said had no correlation with
my scanlation group, and the point i was bringing up was I understood and do not appreciate the fact that others were dissing scanlation groups for that.
Do you have proof that they try to "cheat" people out of their money?
and I'm sure, even if, they did do so, that they are not the only ones to do so.
People are entitled to their money; it's those true fans of theirs that
would actually "donate" money.
Plus, it's not like the majority of the leechers would want to donate anyways.
Why do you check their list of donators, and how much money was given
to them for however many years they were in service.
If you look at many other scanlation groups, many of them PRESS for donations,
or if not their site will go down.
Narutobuzz is not the only scanlation group that does that.
So how bout you go to all those other groups and tell them that
because theyre "trying to cheat people out of their money" they should go
to hell, rot and burn. =]]]

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Post #530273 - Reply to (#530267) by zinny103090
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6:47 pm, Dec 6 2007
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Yes, it might have sounded like i was being very indecisive, but
like i said, i agreed with you totally, and everyone to some degree.
and yes, i believe that we should give some respect to a group that's closing.
For those that are happy to see them gone, you can be
assured that they are no long "cheating" people out of their money.
And for people like me, when a scanlation group quits, it means
they are facing problems.. major problems that they can't shake off.
and i know the feeling.

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Post #530274 - Reply to (#530266) by [RCxFace]
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7:08 pm, Dec 6 2007
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at least with the amount of donation they're asking. at least turn out some QUALITY releases. not garbage. and fyi, i was once part of a scanlation group so you stfu.

Post #530275 - Reply to (#530274) by Anima
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7:27 pm, Dec 6 2007
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I did ask for proof, but I never once stated a fact bout Narutobuzz.
I defended them on their case with accusations made by people without proof.
and i never ever did deny that they are "cheating" people of their money.
and i never once mentioned anything about their history.
and I said everyone was entitled to state
their opinion, but keep it too a minimum as in the the case with Anima,
because for some reason, you can not hold an intellectual conversation because
every sentence of yours always contain some sort of swear word.
Nice way to be convincing =]
and hahahaa, you were "part" of, not "responsible for.
and when you make YOUR "OWN" scanlation group; maybe you'll understand. ^_^ because from your tone, you don't seem to understand it at all.

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Post #530276 - Reply to (#530275) by [RCxFace]
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8:52 pm, Dec 6 2007
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the reason i said that the history should be known before asking for proof is because giving any evidence would mostly likely require some prior knowledge of the site's actions from before in order for the evidence to make sense. i said this with the post you made about not being familiar with narutobuzz in mind.

the best i could possible do about showing evidence is this: http://www.phppod.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-9070 .html

now ask yourself why would a site that states it makes $400+ in revenue be needing donations? if you don't find that fishy, then this conversion ends here.

Post #530277 - Reply to (#530276) by MoonDoggie
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9:16 pm, Dec 6 2007
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Well that does seem fishy, but then again..
how much does it charge for the server/website hosting/domain renewals...
etc? Depending on the type of server you get, shouldnt it be around 350?
and because from what ive read, their "server" is very accessible and prone to
hackers so i say it's less than 350 but near there.
But then again.. idk they could be using a really cheap cheap cheap server
for like 5 bucks a month.
Who knows. *shrugs shoulders*
But thank you for informing me with that link =]

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Post #530278 - Reply to (#530277) by [RCxFace]
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9:37 pm, Dec 6 2007
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yea, sorry if i came off as a bit of a jerk. i'm really not out to prove anybody wrong, and i can see where you come from when you think its kinda harsh to bash an already dieing group because in all reality, it is. but i really detest groups like this that give other well to do groups like your's a bad name. gah, i hope i didnt sound like to much of a dick in my post. i hate people that flame and i dont wanna be a hypocrite -_-. but what good is an opinion if one doesn't stand by it eh? anyway, hey goodluck with your scanlation projects and dont let those leechers get to you.

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3:17 am, Dec 7 2007
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yay...... after all that i came to a conclusion
anima won
ahhhh thats a good cup of coffee

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