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The Lolicon Shotacon Debate

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voraciouszest
Post #534999 - Reply to (#534978) by za3bola
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6:34 am, Apr 26 2010
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Then I have to ask you in return - why just children having sex? What's the difference between fictional depictions of children having sex and fictional depictions of a woman getting gang-raped? Quite frankly, there are tons of storylines explored in manga that make my stomach churn. If you can turn a blind eye towards and allow the existence of graphically depicted controversies like rape or gore, what's stopping you from accepting the fact that there seem to be some people in this world who like shota/lolicon?
Oh, no! Two under-aged children are having sex! But wait...there's a mother getting gang-raped by her sons! Where's the line, people? Where is the line?
Quite honestly, the second scenario is far more sickening to me than the first, but you don't see me screaming down doors to get (what is widely accepted as simply hentai) banned from this site.

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6:35 am, Apr 26 2010
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When did you guys turn off the poll?

za3bola
Post #535001 - Reply to (#534999) by voraciouszest
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6:56 am, Apr 26 2010
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to be honest I find women getting gang raped a very sickening idea too. But you might not realize this but this falls under BDSM that some women actually like and even some couples would use to boost their sex life (I am obviously talking about role playing in a safe environment). What I am saying is that it's got it's audience who get something out of it.

Kids having sex on the other hand, um who exactly should be role playing that?? And whose sex life should this be boosting?? Or why should anyone be sexually stimulated by thatconfused?

Women are sexually mature kids are not.

I think a problem with a lot of people is they like to compare two different issues to make a point. I really don't think that that is the best way to understand what the problem really is. Why can't we just analyze everything on a case by case bases?

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voraciouszest
Post #535002 - Reply to (#535001) by za3bola
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7:46 am, Apr 26 2010
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Essentially, you're ignoring the fact that everyone has their own tastes.
I have never, and would never, be sexually stimulated by the idea of rape, torture, scatology, golden showers, etc. Who's to say that people don't find it sexually stimulating to role play teacher and student in the bedroom? Technically that's shota or lolicon, right? Pretending to be a child having a sexual relationship with an adult. What about those people who are just into the whole moe thing? They'd never actually touch a child, or even think of touching one, but they might just appreciate the cutesy moe characters.
The fact that women are sexually mature is irrelevant. None of these characters actually exist. And to say the least - what difference does the age of the character make if they're being sodomized with a wooden stake? Honestly. It's okay for a man to get hard over a woman's insides being torn out by a tentacle monster, but it's not okay for two kids to have sex?

Keep information free on MU. Let people read what they choose to read.

za3bola
Post #535003 - Reply to (#535002) by voraciouszest
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Wow you are really getting quite graphic, I am finding it difficult to even read your post.
Student teacher role play are fine as long as it is someone who has sexually peaked. shota/loli specifically refer to "pre-pubescent or pubescent" stage (from wikepedia).

There will always be colorful stories about women and sex, but it all revolves around the central theme that guys like having sex with women and some men like to spice up the sex scenes so they won't get bored. You don't like it then maybe your qualm is with men not the mangas.

Now what is the central theme behind shota/loli?

Men fantasizing about women is natural (regardless of the scenario) but adults fantasizing about "pre-pubescent or pubescent" kids is just wrong in any context.

there is kinky and weird and then there is dangerously inappropriate.

Keep information om MU free of dangerously inappropriate material. Let people read what they choose to read but within reason.

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rainexoxo
Post #535004 - Reply to (#535001) by za3bola
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8:40 am, Apr 26 2010
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It is possible for a person to read adult manga for more that cheap thrills. I personally love yaoi, as I see you do as wellembarrassed) There are plenty of rape scenes in this genre. (It is even a running gag amongst most in the yaoi community.) However, I have never personally been worried that some man/boy may read one of these stories and feel that it is alright for him to force himself on another man/boy. "No really means yes, right??" As a yaoi lover I would also be concerned about the censoring/banning of some of my favorite mangakas, who make stories with definite shotacon undertones. Minami Haruka, Yamoto Nase, Naono Bohra, Yoshinaga Fumi, CJ Michalski, and Lily Hoshino just to name a fewembarrassed)

rainexoxo
Post #535005 - Reply to (#535003) by za3bola
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8:58 am, Apr 26 2010
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"Student teacher role play are fine as long as it is someone who has sexually peaked. shota/loli specifically refer to "pre-pubescent or pubescent" stage (from wikepedia)."

How would one know if the character has reached puberty? Does the artist need to draw in leg hair and zits?smile

za3bola
Post #535006 - Reply to (#535004) by rainexoxo
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9:03 am, Apr 26 2010
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I am sorry but I will always be biased towards yaoi. It is the air that I breath!!
Without it I would probably be a more violent, a sexually frustrated person, it soothes me and keeps me focused.

On a more serious note the reason I like yaoi is the same reason I like gay romance, it is a way for me to enjoy reading about sex in a safe and distant manner where I don't ever have to put myself in that scenario (since I am female). Without yaoi I would probably be much more sexually demanding.

I really don't have a problem with yaoi that have shota undertones to be banned. I like my men physically fit and aggressive (which is why I have joined the anti-girly uke club in my animelist).

Sorry I think I have sidetracked a bit but it's your fault!!


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za3bola
Post #535007 - Reply to (#535005) by rainexoxo
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9:06 am, Apr 26 2010
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Hehe, well I would say that a nice bosom is always a safe bet smile

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rainexoxo
Post #535008 - Reply to (#535006) by za3bola
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No Problem. If there was ever a good time to get sidetracked, taking a moment to moon over yaoi would be itsmile And I completely agree with your reasons for loving it.

za3bola
Post #535009 - Reply to (#535008) by rainexoxo
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9:13 am, Apr 26 2010
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girl let's just ditch this thread and start a new one purely about yaoi.
Now that have no problem talking about all day long!!!

Anyway let's get back to the theme of the thread...ahem....shota/loli is wrong!!

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Aleph0
Post #535010 - Reply to (#535004) by rainexoxo
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9:33 am, Apr 26 2010
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If this controversy was happening 15 years ago we would be talking about banning yaoi mangas because they turn children gay... Just to keep things in prospective.
By the way, I find yaoi mangas distasteful, so I guess it's okay to ban them, right? wink

MoJo
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10:20 am, Apr 26 2010
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Baka-updates already provides a very nice filter/blocking option to people who find Lolicon/Shotacon objectionable, I find that sufficient because it makes the censorship a personal, individual option which is in keeping with by beliefs of freedom of media. I think imposing censorship (limiting freedom of information) on all at a site claiming to provide information is just hypocritical. I personally dislike many things posted on the releases, but I'm an adult, I simple don't have to look at what I don't like. A simple pop up warning "The content/link that you are about to view may contain material only suitable for adults" or an adult members only option on it should be enough to protect "The Children" (everyone always cries about the children in these cases, even fictional drawings of them) Although if censorship starts, next will go will be the hentai, then anything ecchi, then any nudity, the partial nudity, then any graphic violence.... notice violence, always comes last <_<; point is censorship is a slippery slope on your personal freedoms and an insult to your intelligence to make the right decision on your own.

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za3bola
Post #535012 - Reply to (#535010) by Aleph0
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10:55 am, Apr 26 2010
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So what you are implying is that 15 years (or sometime in the future) from now it will be ok for adults to have sex with children/fantasize about children??

Isn't that what I am trying to avoid by banning shota/loli?

It's fine if you don't like yaoi it's not for everyone, but it is targeted towards a female audience who benefit a great deal from it.

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Silphie
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10:58 am, Apr 26 2010
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i think if u'r going to mark "loli/shota" as a spoiling content .. then what would we say about "yaoi/yuri/hentai" ??

if u think these are ok .. then leave the "loli/shota" as it is as well bigrazz

best of luck !

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