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Post #534894 - Reply to (#534863) by BlueCheese
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8:01 am, Apr 25 2010
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Manga is not meant to be kid friendly, especially the kind of kid friendly you find in America. If you don't like loli or shota, stay away from it the same way I stay away from guro, tentacle and rape centered series. MU was built to give info about manga releases. I like knowing what an author has worked on and what series contains what content. I don't want MU to arbitrarily censor out releases out of some dumb alarmist's concerns. If you don't like what is coming out of Japan, go back to Disney.

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8:02 am, Apr 25 2010
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I don't read either, to be honest, I think they are skeevy. But what pisses me off about this is that people who don't read manga, only say they are "japanese cartoons," are going to think that all manga is kiddie porn.

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Post #534896 - Reply to (#534864) by Odrin
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If MU feels more comfortable taking out DDL links, I wouldn't mind but really, this ad sponsor problem is nothing more than alarmist crap and they will never be happy until they run sites like MU to the ground.

Post #534897 - Reply to (#534834) by Luciferhawke
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Alarmists aren't here to make sites like MU get rid of its loli, shota and hentai content. They are here to get rid of sites like MU. Getting rid of the genres will do nothing to stop them from finding excuses to get sponsors to abandon the site. One hint that MU is possibly hosting illegal content and it will lose sponsors even if it got rid of all DDL links.

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8:25 am, Apr 25 2010
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You people were asking on what to do regarding the Lolicon Shotacon issue, but is there really a need to do anything? Assuming you change something, is it likely to get adsense back to funding this site? If yes, then I definitely suggest you people make some changes, if not then I don't think there's a reason to change anything.

Post #534899 - Reply to (#534882) by za3bola
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8:32 am, Apr 25 2010
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And where exactly lies the difference between media which displays murder and media which displays sexual content on kids? This "purity of children" thing is a complete farce, in which western organizations demonize lolicon, in which non-real children as displayed in a sexual manner, while completely turning a blind eye on e.g. Ego-Shooters in which non-real people as mass murdered.

Post #534900 - Reply to (#534874) by Aleph0
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They won't. We're not doing this because of google. That door is closed.

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8:48 am, Apr 25 2010
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when most manga have characters under the age of adulthood, i wonder which isnt loli or shouta....

Post #534902 - Reply to (#534821) by Manick
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Well lets say you are forced to remove the links to Yaoi/Loli/Shota scanlation groups, however, this doesn't mean their names will be removed right? because with the Name of the group and some skills, you can easily find their sites without the need of a direct link...

If that is the case, then lets do that...

I mean, I have no problem as long as the group name and a new chapter has been released appear in the Releases page.

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Post #534903 - Reply to (#534838) by crystalsouls
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I'd be Okay with this but it would alienate the annon crowd. A part of the appeal of MU is that you do not have to log on to get to all the info. A modification of the current disclaimer where one can shut them off under User CP would be a preferable option. But hey, the filter would be incentive for more people to log on so it is a good option to have on the table, especially if it replaces the constant disclaimers that are currently in place.

Post #534904 - Reply to (#534841) by loosecannon504
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Removing links to sites hosting the genre is too draconian. Most sites that do loli/shota also do other genres as well, including non hentai works. Besides, removing such links doesn't solve anything. Alarmists aren't interested in making sites like MU safe for children. They want the sites taken down period and will accuse the site of anything from pornography to piracy in order to do so.

Post #534905 - Reply to (#534902) by Chaoswind
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9:16 am, Apr 25 2010
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i'm fine with this. though i'd propose an option, should it be possible: rather than a link to their site, a URL to simply copy and paste. otherwise, group's name and some googling will do.

not a fan of loli/shota, but i'm more in fear of series that gets caught in the crossfire all because of a page or two that aren't even heavily explicit.

Post #534906 - Reply to (#534849) by rainexoxo
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Removing DDL links, I am fine with. Removing scanlator site links; now that is a step too far. MU's primary strengths are its abilities to provide easy access to manga info and scanlators. Removing links to even the scanlators sites or IRC channels, many of whom do much more than just the more controversial series, cuts at the source of MU's values. MU is not nor should it ever seek to be the police of scanlators.

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9:21 am, Apr 25 2010
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I don't believe I'm reading any shotacon/lolicon titles, but completely removing all information of titles in those genres is something I wouldn't want. I could live with just removing the download links though, I suppose.

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Post #534908 - Reply to (#534850) by voraciouszest
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I doubt the warning label will be worth much. The genre specifications should already be clear enough. Besides, it leads to the whole messy discussion of who decides what is too graphic and what isn't.

Having poll option for users asking if a series has adult content, is graphically violent and is morally offensive on each info page would be interesting though. It would definitely add value to the site if it could be fit in.

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