I never read shota/loli nor do I ever intend to, I find the idea of it distasteful and disturbing, I am not sure where you came to the conclusion that I have. Actually now that you mention it, when I first heard of this genre I was horrified but now...well let's just say that I am having a level headed discussion about it with people who are defending it- and this is what I mean by being de-synthesised by it.
If you believe in the freedom of expression than that is fine, but why would you enjoy this genre unless you enjoy reading about children having sex? And if you do should you be allowed to be around kids? It opens a whole can of worms, that you have to wonder is it really worth it?
Also if you want this genre to continue then it belongs buried deep within nasty porn sites/shops not here!!
Plus there is rape and then there is children having sex. The idea of children having sex SHOULD NOT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE. Freedom of expression or not this should not even be thought about AT ALL!!
I am sorry but as far as I am concerned this genre doesn’t belong anywhere

Z

If things were really this black and white then wouldn't mangas featuring characters with neko ears and tails inevitably lead people to bestiality? Come on, really... I mean REALLY? What you're proposing is the same simpleminded philosophy that had so many people up in arms when Dungeon and Dragons first came out. They were certain that if kids played it they would begin hacking at each other with swords and worshiping archaic demons.

I'm sorry, but there were pedophiles in society long before the first manga was ever drawn and there will unfortunately be some long after our time on this earth is done. I don't think attacking a few questionable drawings is going to change this. What it will do is open the door for people to feel they have the right to tell us what we can or can't create and observe. To me, mangas are a form of art, and thus need to be protected as such.

Lolicon is still legal in the US. Only a few states have made it illegal, but in the country as a whole it is still legal.I´m a staff member on a english lolicon forum and our servers is in the Us. And we haven´t got warning that lolicon is illegal and the forum will be taken down

They have tried to make it illegal several times, but it have always been shot down .

>I never read shota/loli nor do I ever intend to, I find the idea of it distasteful and disturbing, I am not sure where you came to the conclusion that I have. Actually now that you mention it, when I first heard of this genre I was horrified but now...well let's just say that I am having a level headed discussion about it with people who are defending it- and this is what I mean by being de-synthesised by it.

- uh, i don't see you being very level headed that's why im confuz.

>If you believe in the freedom of expression than that is fine, but why would you enjoy this genre unless you enjoy reading about children having sex? And if you do should you be allowed to be around kids? It opens a whole can of worms, that you have to wonder is it really worth it?

- i don't like lolishot and i don't read it. and i'm sure that most of the people that do, don't support sex with children either.


>Also if you want this genre to continue then it belongs buried deep within nasty porn sites/shops not here!!

it's a free country where things like the kkk and the nra exist - i don't like racism and guns but i can't do anything to stop it can i? that is censorship and an insult to the amendments that exist.

>Plus there is rape and then there is children having sex. The idea of children having sex SHOULD NOT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE. Freedom of expression or not this should not even be thought about AT ALL!!
I am sorry but as far as I am concerned this genre doesn’t belong anywhere

and yet again - the freedom of expression. so you are saying people have no right to express their ideas on paper and with ink? you might as well ban all manga because a lot of them have young children or young looking characters and somewhere some pervert might be fantasizing about having sex with them.

please re-read my arguments and everyone else's and see who's being naïve.

Do you want a nation run by Disney?

Manga and mainstream are two words that make me wretch when I hear them in the same sentence. Manga was made according to Japanese sensibilities, A.K.A. Not American Mainstream. Stop trying to make manga safe for American children. All that does is butcher good series, piss off real fans and force people to turn to fansubs and scanlations.

The Yaoi genre you are so fond of is a perfect example. A 22 year old teacher and 16 year old student having sex is still raping a minor in most states whether consensual or not. You like reading it but that will never be considered socially acceptable the same way GTA won't make carjacking someone and running over a line of Hare Krishnas while screaming "Gouranga!" socially acceptable.

If you do not want your kid raping and pimping his sister, stop blaming society, get off your ass and keep an eye on your brat for once. This type of drivel about protecting children is the same kind spouted by parents who lets their TV parent their kids and then protests against it because they didn't know the kids were watching South Park.

Now I see it as Lolicon/Shotacon itself it not the issue here, it the combo with another genre that cause the issue. I consider MU nothing more the than a very extreme wiki page. Allowing for people to track information and help update it.

I would understand removal of H-related ones I guess, but some don't even fall in that category at all. , If it is becomes against the law....then until theres change, its morally ethic to abide by it.

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Everyone else has pretty much said it all.
I don't care for loli/shota con, but it doesn't bother me that the website I use has it. I'm not forced to read it, so I don't mind keeping the information provided; that is the purpose of MU. The stories are freedom of expression and it's not causing harm.
If you're worried because of rules like those of AdSense, then really, it seems the only condition they'd approve would be to completely remove all connected information. This seems too drastic for simply keeping one company's service unless there is no other alternative. Google has a right to be selective of what businesses their company associates with - even if their choices aren't agreeable with everyone in the world. If Google's search engine suddenly started blocking sites like MU from their results, that would be a bigger concern of censorship.
If this is a legal issue (I'm not an American and I'm not so up-to-date on whatever legislation has passed or being considered there), then modify/remove content (hopefully as little as possible) to pass whatever legal issues may arise for the benefit of all the other data this website provides. You'll have to keep track of the events occurring in the U.S.

Several years ago in Canada, there was a case where a man was arrested for being in possession / creation of written work that contained inappropriate content with minors. However, in court it was ruled that his stories were worth artistic merit/freedom(?) and so he could not be charged for possession of child porn. My memory is fuzzy, but I thought I'd note this because written work and illustrated work are similar. Anyone remember this?

And there are a lot of shoujo series featuring airheaded girls below age of consent who snag adults in positions of trust/authority (eg. teachers). I supppose the audience is mostly girls instead, but the relationships are similar.

I'm inclined to go with "don't provide download links" (like, to Mediafire or whatever, not talking about scan groups), if that's a way to get some revenue to keep the site going. But in that case, it should be "don't provide download links for anything". Then again, I don't think I've ever even noticed those links, so I might not have any idea what kind of impact that would have on other users.

Removing all info about lolicon/shotacon altogether is right out, though. I've read a few shotacon shoujo manga where the label is applied just because the girl is in high school and the guy is in middle school, but nothing more than handholding happens. It's really stupid that such benign books would be censored.

But mostly this whole to-do is really irritating me because I like yuri quite a bit, and it doesn't take much to see it or yaoi falling under the knife next, simply because people don't like yuri or yaoi porn. Or then there's the josei manga like those by Yuki Yoshihara that aren't completely explicit, but do have a lot of sex scenes that don't leave very much to the imagination - labeled "mature", maybe they'll be gone, too? So, yeah, no. Not on board with removing the data about shotacon/lolicon altogether. (It's also nice to be able to run a title through the search and know to avoid it, if it comes up with those labels, if it's not you're thing and wherever you found it doesn't have all the information.)

er - misfire - were you taking to me or za3? i don't want a nation run by disney. i love my yaoi. i don't like censorship and i'm saying if people start censoring something, it will be a slippery slope that will censor everything else.

>Manga and mainstream are two words that make me wretch when I hear them in the same sentence. Manga was made according to Japanese sensibilities, A.K.A. Not American Mainstream. Stop trying to make manga safe for American children. All that does is butcher good series, piss off real fans and force people to turn to fansubs and scanlations.

agreed - i buy licensed manga to support the artist more than going for translations.

>If you do not want your kid raping and pimping his sister, stop blaming society, get off your ass and keep an eye on your brat for once. This type of drivel about protecting children is the same kind spouted by parents who lets their TV parent their kids and then protests against it because they didn't know the kids were watching South Park.

that is my view as well.

I was still a new lurker at that time so correct me if I'm wrong but I thought MU only got rid of sites that hosted scans pirated directly from volumes published in the U.S. There are still plenty of series with releases sans DDLs on site, most prominently Naruto, Bleach and Claymore.

Otherwise, I do agree with your stance against censorship. All it would do is alienate users.

Look we could go on and on about this till we are blue in the face and still get no where. At the end of the day you are entitled to your opinion. I personally don't feel that this issue should be taken lightly and there is a reason why most countries would not accept shota/loli.
I would be all for a ban of this genre at least from mainstream websites.

Z

Ok guys seriously, way too many long paragraphs and responses here, and while I have no porblem in debating them I really don't feel like it. I am just going to reiterate what I said to another member:

"Look we could go on and on about this till we are blue in the face and still get no where. At the end of the day you are entitled to your opinion. I personally don't feel that this issue should be taken lightly and there is a reason why most countries would not accept shota/loli.
I would be all for a ban of this genre at least from mainstream websites."

Z

If you do anything about the loli/shota it won't make much of a difference to googles add department. This site through its wiki like system showcasing Manga breaks plenty of googles "NOT PROHIBITED" content rules i.e., (Violent content, racial intolerance, or advocacy against any individual, group, or organization. Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia. Excessive profanity. Gambling or casino-related content. etc. etc.). Most manga out there contains these things, mostly the shounen type content.