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Post #535075 - Reply to (#535070) by demon_god03
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3:56 pm, Apr 28 2010
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Honestly, like demongod said it might be bit different if they actually have clear guidelines as to what loli is, because their definition now isn't just pre-teen. And as he already said there is much more important issues going on, like maybe the Catholic Church and their pedopriests? Or how about SaudiArabia and their 10 year old brides?

Why do moral crusaders always have this "holier than thou" attitude when trying to condemn thoughts and ideas? They should try to do something about the real life issues before playing internet moral police...

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Post #535076 - Reply to (#535071) by celinae
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4:20 pm, Apr 28 2010
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Protect Act does NOT ban Shota/Loli. From the article:

Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, OR are engaged in sex acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition. The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors).

More details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_po rnography_depicting_minors#United_States

Loli and Shota is legal in the US. There's a concentrated effort by a few fundies to go after Manga and Anime loli and shota (corresponding with a UK feminist crusade against H-games in general) but they all remain legal -- for now.

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4:43 pm, Apr 28 2010
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The guy who started all this by complaining to AdSense about everyone brags about... reading Kodomo no Jikan (which he used in his complaint) in a 4/27/10 comment here: http://l7world.com/2008/02/kodomo-no-jikan-anime-mang a-review.html

In other words, he's trolling. He's having a big laugh causing trouble for you and the rest of the community, and you shouldn't give him one dime of consideration.

Post #535078 - Reply to (#535075) by xtr3m3dude
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That's just it, there are many real world situations of child abuse that gets swept under the rug and how many moral crusaders do you see out and running about? teen suicides due to bullying, domestic abuse, child molestation cases, teen prostitution etc. etc. etc. and these "bleeding heart moral crusaders" choose to champion the portayal of pixal girls.

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10:02 pm, Apr 28 2010
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We need to not let ourselves get pushed by the greed of green. Today it's the lolicon, tomorrow it's the hentai, next year it's the manga itself. Remember that guy who got jailed for normal ero mail ordered from Japan to USA? The claims were for lolicon, which is, well, understandable as an offense, but the fact that none of the content contained lolicon is what makes me suspicious of the entire ordeal. Financial reasoning is what holds our worlds technological evolution back, and as thus, I cannot agree with this. There's plenty of manga out there that contains "lolicon" just to point their fan-service towards all customers, losing GOOD AND GENUINELY INNOCENT titles due to people with no knowledge or understanding for this type of market needs to be placed on leash. Examples of titles that will be lost: My Balls, Yuria 100 Shiki, Love Hina, Nana to Kaoru, Toshiue no Hito, Momoiro Sango, Kodomo no Jikan, IO, Hayate no Goku, etc etc, and any other love series that has a child side-character that either baths with the other women or somehow ends up with a rare panty-shot fan-service scene.

Hell, 90% of all series would be lost, all that we would have left is series like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and all the other junk shounen series with no "real" focus on love (albeit One Piece is admittedly a decent story - oh wait, isn't Nami under 18 in first hundreds of chapters? I guess we aint allowed to read One Piece either, eh?).

I'm just saying... it's a bad move.

Post #535080 - Reply to (#534840) by blakraven66
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10:27 pm, Apr 28 2010
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The guy actually admits to reading Kodomo no Jikan, too, and enjoying the story... Wow.. *facepalm*

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10:53 pm, Apr 28 2010
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beautifully phrased...in my opinion, i think manga updates should just remove all the direct links to websites that host the file, but still keep the series' information in the database...the purpose of manga updates from the beginning was to be a database for manga series...although lolicon and shotacon are largely controversial genres in many countries, they're still manga, nonetheless, and should hold a place within the biggest manga database on the web...

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Post #535082 - Reply to (#535080) by alexdhamp
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11:44 pm, Apr 28 2010
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As if it wasn't obvious enough that he fails at life epicly.

Post #535083 - Reply to (#535068) by xtr3m3dude
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I thought people like you would use the "ban is way too broad" crap. I'm not saying to ban under-aged characters. It's obvious I'm saying to ban just the loli romance or sex.
17 years old that are fully developed are not loli. You know that.

I can bet my ass that if people just stopped posting hentai or manga that depicts kids in a sexual way - and by kids I mean those that are made to look like they are 10 years old - that no one would give a damn if the manga has someone that is 15 or 16 or 17.

What google, advertising systems and normal people don't really like is just the loli sex thing. They don't really give a damn if a developed 17 years old woman is fucking a dog.

Post #535084 - Reply to (#535070) by demon_god03
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1:34 am, Apr 29 2010
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The big majority here is OBVIOUSLY defining loli in the same way that you do.

What I clearly said is to ban Loli and Shota IF the main point of it is just to depict a kid having sex. By kid I meant those that look like they are 10, not the ones that look like 16.
Why would anyone want them here? Seriously, why watch a 10 years old kid having sex if you are not a pedophile?

Post #535085 - Reply to (#535075) by xtr3m3dude
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1:42 am, Apr 29 2010
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Oh, so I can't have my own opinion? I need to agree with everything that you say and like? I'm "holier than thou" just because I don't agree with your ideals?

I am not Catholic. I am not from Saudi Arabia. They don't have ANYTHING to do with manga updates. So we are not allowed to discuss what was proposed in this post just cause there is more important matters in the world? Don't be ridiculous.

Post #535086 - Reply to (#535067) by se7a
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2:03 am, Apr 29 2010
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For you people feigning ignorance, I will simplify my post:

Remove links or information or download info that meet ALL of the following:
Have characters that are specifically made to look like they don't even have 12 years old yet
Are focused specifically on eroticism/sex.

Simply as that. Fairly understandable. I'm guessing that not even 1% of the mangas here meet those criteria. Just those loli/shota hentai that you can easily find anywhere else. Go back to adsense and be happy forever

Post #535087 - Reply to (#535086) by se7a
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3:41 am, Apr 29 2010
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big problem with that buddy,
adsense TOS also prohibits being associated with with adult content which apparently enforces fairly broadly since other manga sites are being cut off from adsense for hosting adult content which apparently covers ecchi and yaoi stuff from what I've seen taken down. looking over its TOS it also prohibits violent materiel so that is gonna take another big chunk.
So in the long run I think its in this site's best interest to find something else other than adsense,
unless you are perfectly happy with this site being strictly pg-13

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4:48 am, Apr 29 2010
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If we ignore the useless unhelpful 'i don't care' option currently 67.12% of people that voted do not want anything done. I personally agree with them. There are lots of other advertisement companies out there. I value the information stored on this site very highly indeed and thus would hate it compromised.

Post #535089 - Reply to (#535058) by tom_moreau
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5:15 am, Apr 29 2010
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http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj155/Achiyugo/FY. png
See link for my feelings...

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