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8:02 am, Jul 23 2010
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silverado writes: In regard to the recent anti-piracy activities in the film, music and manga industry I've decided to write this post as a warning to all website owners who are currently hosting scanlations or fansubs to think twice about a take down request!

The publishers made their move and it's now up the community and admins to make ours. Despite many rumors and confusion there is one thing we can tell for sure: Going to court is the worst of all possible scenarios!

If the scanlation community wants to survive and maintain the freedom they are enjoying now, it is of utmost importance that all US online manga viewing sites comply with the publisher's take down requests. Because it takes only one loss in court to create a leading case to make scanlations officially and forever illegal. For the first time in history is the creation and hosting of scanlations threatened. Do you remember Morpheus P2P or Kazaa? Winny or ShareEX2? File sharing was tolerated until it grew too big to be neglected by the industry. This is the same. If this case gets through, there will be no gray-zone, no tolerance, no tolerated hosting anymore! A loss in court will result in a wide spread trickle-down effect on all US webhosting providers. Scanlations will be seen as cancer that has to be cut out and pursued. Hosting scanlations, even unlicensed material will be classified as illegal software. Webhosting accounts will be banned, IPs might be given out to find the uploader. This is all a real threat and it pains me to say that this is legally possible and a very probable scenario. So if you all want to continue reading scanlations from your favorite group, stop whining about it and start supporting your admin's decision to take down licensed series! We all are carrying the moral responsibility to set the legal environment for future scanlations! So support your admins decisions to take down manga! As for the admins, think twice before you don't comply to a take down notice. The best solution for the scanlation community and the corporation is to cooperate exist next to each other. Don't force them to use legal weapons of mass destruction. It's a lose-lose situation for all of us.

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious." - Sun Tzu

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10:12 am, Jul 23 2010
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I could not agree more, the part that worries me the most is what would happen, if that comes to occur, with the countries that have no own publishers, and depend on the main trends to gain access to some series, and even so the variety is limited as hell...

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10:12 am, Jul 23 2010
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hows about we buy host from third world countries that don't give a damn about copyright like china for example?

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10:15 am, Jul 23 2010
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i guess in future we have to rely on the old methods. back to the underground.

the same happend with films and music...and the companies lost the fight.

the same will happen here.

anyways i agree with silverado one should think twice about a take down request.

Post #535694 - Reply to (#535692) by add191
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10:18 am, Jul 23 2010
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I think there are some very angry 100 million chinese ppl who would have words with you about classifying China as Third World and anyways there are closer places for website hosting that aren't as stricht

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10:22 am, Jul 23 2010
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the best solution for scanlation is to go underground, irc and p2p for example.

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10:28 am, Jul 23 2010
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you know, with this statement, rather than even think about, it'd be a lot wiser not to and just do as these notices tell you to.

though i'm still in fear of some sort of scanlation group made up of total newbies in the community in the future, who would know nothing of the incident this past month or so and hence Silverado's advice, all gung-ho to fight till the end. paranoid, i know.

hope this gets passed around and taken VERY seriously for future generations

Post #535697 - Reply to (#535694) by friedo.obrain
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10:32 am, Jul 23 2010
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humm, didn't mean to say China as third world country but just an example where copyright does not matter, just a slight of tongue bigrazz

Post #535698 - Reply to (#535694) by friedo.obrain
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10:35 am, Jul 23 2010
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still, we should be prepare for the worst that this coalition will involve other countries aside from the US and Japan. the law changes with the time, so while some countries will overlook this now, there is no absolute promise that they will in the future.

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10:37 am, Jul 23 2010
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Back to the underground...... oh well its better than nothing

Hmm cant imagine not reading manga daily :S

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Post #535700 - Reply to (#535699) by eyeshield777
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10:43 am, Jul 23 2010
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Read it daily. Underground, that is.

Post #535701 - Reply to (#535694) by friedo.obrain
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10:46 am, Jul 23 2010
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this is just one of the solution that i can think of right now, and for the copyright law to change in China? maybe its going to take another 10 years or so, but nothing is absolute, so lets hope we can enjoy it for another 2-3 years at least.

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10:48 am, Jul 23 2010
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Scanlations just became TOO visible through all those online readers. They're reaping what they sew.
If scanlations are just made IRC only, no one'll notice they'll still be around; and the people that have half a brain will still get to read their manga.

Post #535703 - Reply to (#535702) by barbapapa
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11:00 am, Jul 23 2010
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Agree. Online readers die however they want. Just live the scanlation community and my beloved MU alone.

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Post #535704 - Reply to (#535701) by add191
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11:03 am, Jul 23 2010
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The copyright law in Asia is quite weak(I'm an Asian). This may be a solution for now?

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