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Libre Shuppan sending out C&D's

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SinsI
Post #536272 - Reply to (#536265) by mangotango
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IRC is a pure me-talking-to-you kind of a chat. Snooping on that is against every law that protects freedom of speech.

ArtsEnticingOrdeal
Post #536273 - Reply to (#536271) by bakaliner
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Sounds like you live in my country, too. xDD

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Post #536274 - Reply to (#536272) by SinsI
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Unfortunately that particular freedom is one that people tend to go against and kill easily

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10:46 pm, Sep 11 2010
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If they were yuri groups I'd care, but since they're yaoi scanlators I don't give a damn. In fact, good riddance.

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Post #536276 - Reply to (#536275) by FullArmageddon
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So when your yuri groups get C&Ds from publishers, I'll be sure to say exactly what you just said. (:

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Post #536277 - Reply to (#536276) by Synthoxide
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Exactly? Because, for that context, it would be kind of... you know... backwards. Can't help but notice.

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Post #536278 - Reply to (#536264) by naikan
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3:43 am, Sep 12 2010
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What do you mean "Japanese national foregoing on buying the manga because they want to struggle through some free English version of it just to save $5"? Don't you think the Japanese have their own raw scans sites? They don't need to struggle through the English version. And free advertising, or not, it's still the principle of viewing another artists work for free without them getting payment for it. Whether or not it builds an English-reading audience, it's still stealing. If a lot of people complain and threaten not to buy english editions of Libre manga, it does not matter to Libre. They already have commercial success in their country of origin so what makes you think the petty Western sales are even going to make a difference? Even the artist of Naruto doesn't get a lot from royalties of his translated work.

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Post #536279 - Reply to (#536275) by FullArmageddon
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You know, I didn't post this news just so people like you can (once again) start bashing BL manga and the scanlation groups. It's an example of publishers putting in some effort into preventing scanlations. Also, Libre is part of the recently established manga anti-piracy coalition, too. So more publishers - not only BL publishers - might follow this kind of procedure.

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Post #536280 - Reply to (#536277) by ArtsEnticingOrdeal
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Haha, well, of course, I'd switch it to fit. xD

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Post #536281 - Reply to (#536278) by artdjmaster
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"Don't you think the Japanese have their own raw scans sites? They don't need to struggle through the English version."

Exactly my point. Shutting down English scan sites do nothing to raise domestic manga purchases, so Libre's move was stupid.

"If a lot of people complain and threaten not to buy english editions of Libre manga, it does not matter to Libre. They already have commercial success in their country of origin so what makes you think the petty Western sales are even going to make a difference?"

Clearly they think it makes a difference or they would not have sent out the C&D's to English scan sites. This move was not about stealing or not, it was about money. If they didn't think that English scan sites were hurting their sales, they would not have bothered taking the time to send C&D's, which although are cheaper than lawsuits, still carry legal opportunity costs.

"Even the artist of Naruto doesn't get a lot from royalties of his translated work."

Irrelevant. English licensing fees are a good chunk of change that Japanese publishers do take into account. What the mangaka earns doesn't matter because it's the publisher's decision and not the mangaka's.

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@ icassop -
That's the way people are...they just want everything they hate in this world, to disappear. But they don't seem to realize that someone else hates the thing they love, and want that to disappear. If everyone got their wishes granted, then this world wouldn't even exist! smile

Anyway, this is bad news for everyone - not just yaoi and shounen-ai fans. Libre Shuppan is probably the first among many to start the issuing of C&Ds. And once Naruto , Skip Beat! etc. disappear from the web, maybe people will take this seriously.

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Post #536283 - Reply to (#536282) by calstine
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Rather surprising that they didn't hit the Naruto, etc scanlators first. Since they lose more money on those properties as compared to the smaller BL market.

But then again I suppose Viz hasn't paid their lawyers to send out C&Ds yet. (insert sarcasm mark)

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Post #536284 - Reply to (#536283) by kayue
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my question exactly..
i mean if they really serious with this anti-scanlations coalition, why targeting a small fish like BL fandom first, i think if they want to show (intimidating) people that they're not playing words hitting a big fandom like naruto or one piece would be actually make a huge effect..
(though i'm not hoping for that)

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Post #536285 - Reply to (#536280) by Synthoxide
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Rofl, well, that works. xDD

Though, to be honest, I wish people wouldn't come and say stuff like that at all... but lol, I guess the person above you was deluded that this isn't something that will eventually affect the entire scanlation community.

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I know we can ask this from the scanlators because thet are the ones that are taking all the risk , but I hope the publishers don't succed in this, If It's not for the scanlators groups manga wouldn't have so many fans outside Japan, although they have the law on their side they ought scanlators a thanks and not a bunch of threats, furthermore the work of USA publishers is no more than lousy (the worst series,very late first edition, inexistence of reeditions....)they only bring shame.
I think all scanlators must leave their differences and look for a secure server where they can post their releases and where Usa laws can't reach them.
What infuriates me the most is that this has nothing to do with the autors f.e. Miyamoto Kano has a more than friendly relatiomship with liquid passion.
One thing is for sure we must stop buying manga till this stops as a punishment. or so i thought.

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