I wouldn't say scanlators are like sheep.
Lately batoto came about. And there's also that reader/whatever-it-is from foolzrulez(or something like that) which was advertised by its developer as a way to fight online aggregation sites and unite scanlators. Then again, I might've misunderstood.
The point is, those are pretty new initiatives to help scanlators, so things are looking good. Moreover, things like that are the only way to fight online readers. Since MF&co. will be able to ignore scanlators, the only way to deal them a blow is by offering a better service(like batoto).

I do agree about the motivation thing, but there's not much to do. People on the internet have assholish tendencies.

Well, it looks like one of the bastards you people speaking has just trolled around and did a massive upload. I'm talking about the user "Mangafox" in MF.

Simple, as Chido said. We already love Mangafox. Staff might clash with Noez a lot but that doesn't mean the whole mangafox community is all about Noez. A lot made friends there, we got minions, it's not easy just to drop the community you learn to love just because of the rulers. Actually some people might feel it's their obligation to remain to be a thorn on the side of Noez by annoying them. Haha! XD

but even if it's "convenient" or whatever, why should it matter? he felt let down by the system and wants out. he wouldn't be the first nor will he be the last for using that same reason. i don't see where you get your suspicions from. are you saying he wants sympathy from the masses? if yes, why not?

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well you can always take the initiative to perhaps migrate the community elsewhere, create a new forum, whatever. or take the time to educate the masses by posting how they can support their favorite series and the teams that work on them (in some cases, educate them that mangafox DOES NOT do the scanlations, lol.). i don't go on MF myself, but i don't know if scanlation teams have recruitment threads there or not?

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Well, what gwkimmy said. Maybe you feel that you can't leave the forum, but if you help keep the site running you are still feeding Noez. At least inform and alert the masses and let them know about alternatives. Direct them to this site. With MU and Batoto, other online readers have almost been rendered useless.

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Why should it matter? Well, it's a matter of personal preference, I just happen to care about people , yet I'm quite thrifty with the amount of sympathy they get from me, especially those who I suspect they're disguising one reason with another one that "just happens" to get you to sympathize with them by default. Coincidence? Given this person's portrayed traits? I sincerely doubt it. Hence my suspicions of him being dishonest with his followers, and with himself.

I reckon that my overall argument is now self-sufficient. Based on that personal inference, I rest my case. I enjoyed having this conversation

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If we're going to molest them (in the non-sexual meaning, of course), then we're going to need to get creative, and I mean CREATIVE. Forum advertising just doesn't do it. We, the community, need to find a way to reel in those costumers they get by the thousands.

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Correct me if I'm wrong here since this looks convoluted. A modder did not follow MU policy of respecting scanlator upload policies and uploaded manga to online readers without following said policies. He ignored complaints and the scanlators want MU to deliver his head on a pike. MU instead gave him a slap on the wrist. -_-;

I really was hoping MU was going to be able to keep itself above this crap but I knew this was just wishful thinking. Can anyone guess who the winners of this spat is going to be?

I can already see Mangafox, Mangahere or some other online reader turning into the next Crunchroll right before our eyes. DCMAs notices will be spammed to every remaining scanlation group regardless of license status or country of origin. Then everyone can say goodbye to uncensored HQ scanlations and hello to officially sanitized and watermarked low res speed releases with special scans behind a neat little pay wall. Well. I'm depressed now. Time for a drink and a nap.

Out of pure curiosity, how the hell will an online reader turn into Crunchyroll with no scanlation staff?

i see that now a whole bunch of people are release moderators , seeing how manpower isnt a issue anymore , removing one of them , that causes a problems , wont affect the running of MU

That's just woxxy and grumpy. Most scanlators are just... eh, don't want to talk about it right now.

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Simple. Instead of scanlators, they hire full time workers instead. It is a similar concept that mangahelpers were planning before they were outed and more or less collapsed. It isn't as if CR uses volunteers now do they? If so, then the mass exodus after they banned fansubs was overplayed and anime fans are far more fanatical than I thought they were.

The main thing hindering this from happening with scanlations ironically is that competition between online readers is far fiercer than streaming sites due to lower start up and maintenance costs. That doesn't change the underlying strategy though.

CR lives because everyone knows them, they have a large library and they are consistently fast with new if censored releases. Other sites and companies are at the whims of fansubbers, pirates, DCMA notices, online providers and waiting periods to negotiate licensing deals that last for months and even years. A well known online reader like Mangafox could go a similar route. They get clean raws, have their paid staff do a crappy speed scan and toss it out in a day. Copyright holders get a cut of the profits, and leechers get immediate gratification.

The whole point of this exercise? Publishers want control of their online content and few approve of scanlations. Their current efforts for independent official online readers have smaller libraries, poor name recognition and are in direct competition with each other as well as illegitimate sites. Banding together and co-opting one of the larger sites as the anime companies did with CR would create a more solid library with a familiar and established site. They make money and quick official releases kills incentive of scanlators without alienating the fanbase.

sorry vamp but you're wrong here. it gave him power to abuse the foreknowledge of releases. Most people dont subscribe to groups' RSS feeds and instead go to MU or an online reader first to look for new releases, thus matias067 had the foreknowledge of groups' releases and abused this foreknowledge to violate scanlators' rehosting policies.

We can try, but convincing thousands of members to leave a place that they have consider home for years, I can't see it as possible. What makes it harder ? There are members who are just came for the forums and not manga. Those who do not care if Big 3 updated daily or not, they just wanna hang out at the The Spam Garage.