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lambchopsil
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This week's poll is from our member aznluck. If you haven't noticed, some scanlation groups put watermarks over their stuff so that no one can copy it and claim it as their own. What's your opinion on such a practice?

You can discuss this poll on our forums here:
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=31945

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related):
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Result:
Question: If a series was good all the way to the ending which sucked, would you still read another series by the same author?
Choices:
Yes - votes: 12528 (89.7%)
No - votes: 1440 (10.3%)
There were 13968 total votes.
The poll ended: February 11th 2012

Not hard to predict that one, but I'm surprised at the high number of "no"

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yuno19
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8:34 am, Feb 11 2012
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personally, i dislike watermarks. they somehow decrease end product quality. i also dislike credit pages. they add extra bytes to download and they usually tasteless. but i know well the feeling when your hardwork gotten claimed by someone else. painful indeed.

looking forward how the pool will result, smile

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derpMonster
Post #539248 - Reply to (#539247) by yuno19
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9:59 am, Feb 11 2012
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No problems with credit page or readme.txts but full-paged watermarks on something they have no legal right to distribute seem to be pushing it.

minimini99
Post #539249 - Reply to (#539248) by derpMonster
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10:18 am, Feb 11 2012
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The current watermarks used by japanzai on batoto are pretty good though. They appear for a split second before disappearing. Watermarks were only introduced due to online manga aggregate sites not complying with the wishes of the scanlators.

Credit pages are needed because many people read manga from these manga aggregate sites. If there weren't any credit pages, you wouldn't know who helped to scanlate the manga and also wouldn't know how to contact them (Assuming they don't check MU). It's also used as 'advertising' space to recruit more help. As long as they don't add 2 or more credit pages per chapter, it's fine with me.

uzumakiwalid
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10:25 am, Feb 11 2012
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Personally speaking, i don't really hate watermarks. But if one group decided to put one, make the watermark at least not ruining the pleasure of reading. try to keep the watermark at minimum level. like put it outside the box or the corner on one of the page, etc.

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10:32 am, Feb 11 2012
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Firstly is the watermark a pictures or text?
And is it still readable?
As long as it's not disturbing, it's ok.

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auriga
Post #539252 - Reply to (#539251) by deadphoenix
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10:58 am, Feb 11 2012
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Agreed. I can tolerate watermarks as long as I can still figure out what's going on. Where's the option for that? The last option is a bit vague on this issue.

And IMO, I'm getting something illegal for free; watermarks are a small price to pay. If I want 100% clean manga then I will buy legal copies.

empathy
Post #539253 - Reply to (#539249) by minimini99
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12:17 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Japanzai and Simple-Scans are seriously going overboard with their abuse of watermarking images. I personally don't think it's helping scanlators "win" against MangaFox or any of the other 'perceived' evils anymore. One of the few groups that i think watermarks in a courteous way is Soba-Scans.

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Post #539254 - Reply to (#539252) by auriga
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^ this

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Post #539255 - Reply to (#539249) by minimini99
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Credit pages are necessary indeed. and a small unobtrusive watermark like Soba Scans is classy as heck and nicely designed. Anything that appears as a full page thing even for a split second is an insult to the art work and a distraction.

asking people to read on batoto to get ad money to buy raws or whatever goes against the "For fan, by fans, for free" rule that the great translators of yore have lived by. If you can't afford the hobby, don't do it. Asking for raw donations is alright because it's not money that's being exchanged.

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Post #539256 - Reply to (#539251) by deadphoenix
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2:27 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Unfortunately some groups have started gif watermarking. You get a full page watermark overlapping the page that goes on and off. Happens so frequently that I have to take it into something to turn it off just to be able to read the damn thing. Watermarking is fine. But some groups are taking it TOO far. They're trying to counter those online readers and such (to follow their rules for their releases), but they can't use their heads on it.

auriga
Post #539257 - Reply to (#539253) by empathy
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Simple-Scans? Seriously? They watermark usually at the corners of panels and it's barely noticeable. And Japanzai's "watermark c/o MangaFox/MangaHere... go to Batoto" or whatever watermark (which they don't even use all the time) doesn't even faze me. Heck, I have yet to download one of their unwatermarked versions; not that I even intend to.

quark1020
Post #539258 - Reply to (#539248) by derpMonster
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4:23 pm, Feb 11 2012
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A-Team's watermarks on the breaker manga have been obnoxious. Theirs is sprawled all over the page and is considerably thick, making it hard to read.

godhand666
Post #539259 - Reply to (#539255) by derpMonster
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5:05 pm, Feb 11 2012
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The only time a watermark bothers me is when it actually covers the artwork on a large nicely done drawing, full page, or double spread someone went and redrew. I like to save the pages of really good images when I come across one. Having to redraw a redraw or find a raw just because of a watermark or text is annoying in those cases.

Otherwise I can understand why so many groups put them on their releases unlike many many ungrateful leaches.

"asking people to read on batoto to get ad money to buy raws or whatever goes against the "For fan, by fans, for free" rule that the great translators of yore have lived by."
-This often repeated complaint always makes me think "[Money] For MangaFox, by fans, for free&without work(by MF)"

None of the groups are asking you to give them money, unless you want to. What they are asking you to do is stop willingly and eagerly (very eagerly in some cases) making money for the greedy noez.

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Post #539260 - Reply to (#539253) by empathy
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5:53 pm, Feb 11 2012
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We all know that you hate against us. No need to make it public.
Japanzai's watermarks vanish immediately and Simple's is so fucking small you don't notice its, nor is it in any obvious place.

You claim to be all-so-friendly on the public, but in reality you're power-obsessed control freak that has no respect for his staff.
Good job, bro

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