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Post #539261
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6:17 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Personally I like watermarks on my manga. It makes me notice that the scanlator group is trying to give me a message since I don't visit their site or check their credits page, hiring page, notice page.

I don't think I would have noticed it otherwise.

Of course when I see the watermarks, read the message they got, then I go and troll them. Cuz you know...I read their message what more do they want? I'm too busy to support them or to help them out so I rather go and troll them since it takes more time but it's fun to get all my anger out on them instead of the mangaonline readers that annoy them and which may cause the group to die.

Heh, like they got something to say, they should just give me my chapters because it's my right to get them. Without me they wouldn't have any readers and they wouldn't be able to scanlate anymore. They should thank me for that. Heck they should do it on the watermarks. I approve this!

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Post #539262
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7:07 pm, Feb 11 2012
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I prefer watermarks to those rather weird demands of posting 20+ posts a week to get a release. (Doko Demo Doa anyone)
I really don't have anything to say most of the time, so I have a lot of problems to compose those posts in a way that they won't be considered a spam. And let's be realistic. Those watermarks you get on a release from Japanzai isn't really so bad, that you need to use some special device to read the chapter.
Grind your teeth and stop complaining. You get it for free, you know.

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7:23 pm, Feb 11 2012
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The thing that bothers me about watermarks isn't their obtrusiveness, but the fact that the scanlator is implying ownership of the translated work.
Credit pages are fine because they're simply informing a reader of the group's composition and views, but a watermark is a brand that says "this is ours".

And of course the real owners of the work are the mangaka's and publishers.
No matter how much effort and personal funds the scanlators invest in the scanlation, it is not theirs.
If they truly believe that it is theirs, then it's time to leave scanlation, as their argument is equivalent to that of a forger's or a patent thief's private critique.

Watermarks are going to end up hurting scanlation like online readers. Both are currently waving red flags at the copyright holders.

philip72
Post #539264 - Reply to (#539262) by Marcos
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7:30 pm, Feb 11 2012
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In reality those high posting demands are a form of extracting payment from leechers.
"If you keep my personal forum active, I will pay you with releases."
It's pure bartering, and it's highly unethical in regards to scanlation.

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7:39 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Don't really mind watermarks, as long as they're in a blank part of the page or something (not covering anything up). Preferably black and white so they don't detract from an image. Even more preferable if they're just text wedged between two panels or something. I agree that scanlators should protect what they have done, but not so much that I can barely stand reading them. Credit pages are nice too, as long as there aren't 1398098 of them.

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Post #539266 - Reply to (#539263) by philip72
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8:02 pm, Feb 11 2012
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This. Also if you are going to read manga from crappy online readers, then you probably don't care who did what anyways.

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Post #539267
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8:11 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Watermarks are fine no matter how big or small.

PROzess
Post #539268 - Reply to (#539261) by T1
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8:29 pm, Feb 11 2012
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smile
I couldn't have phrased it better^^

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Post #539269 - Reply to (#539263) by philip72
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8:31 pm, Feb 11 2012
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Scanlators don't watermark to say "THIS IS MINE".
They watermark it because Mangafox and Co. do that. And it's not right.
We scanlators provide a free fan service. Mangafox and Co. don't do that. They make money off our hobby. Quite shamelessly and a ton. That's not right.

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8:44 pm, Feb 11 2012
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I consider watermarks immoral and don't think it does anything to stop jerks like Mangafox. Have Mangafox slowed down at all since groups started using these watermarks? Nope, they've just opened another site which completely ignores the requests of scanlators. Watermarks punish readers who download or read it from the scanlator and the art is not the scanlator's work to claim to begin with. There are other better ways to fight against Mangafox and NOEZ and their ilk.

The closest thing to a watermark I can see as acceptable is a note in the margins pointing readers to Batoto or the scanlator website, but honestly I think even that is pushing it. A scanlator's job should be to deliver an immersive experience, not constantly pull the readers out of the zone by forcing scanlation politics in their face.

gringe
Post #539271 - Reply to (#539260) by PROzess
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8:47 pm, Feb 11 2012
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It hardly seems appropriate to make a personal attack on someone here.

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Post #539272 - Reply to (#539270) by gringe
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9:38 pm, Feb 11 2012
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> immoral

Why do you read scanlations then?

shinshuu
Post #539273 - Reply to (#539270) by gringe
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11:00 pm, Feb 11 2012
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If you don't want watermark, then go in buy the actual copy.

I'm find with water mark, it just encourage those who want to own high quality version to buy the book, thus helping the mangaka out. For reading it for free, reader shouldn't complain too much, and if they really like the story, and want high quality version, buying it should be the way to go. scanlation is only to promote unknown/known story to promote awareness. Look at chinese scanlation and you'll see how much they water mark it, english scanlation is nothing compare to their.

By the way, I don't think that readers/leecher should dictate how they perceive scanlation, that is for the scanlation community to decide. Those who do the actual work are the one with more powerful voice. Not everything in the world if free, only receiving and not giving.

Note: the reason why Mangafox haven't slow down their release is because they are using bot to download release from other manga reader site into their, that include batoto. this is even more immoral.

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Post #539274 - Reply to (#539270) by gringe
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11:08 pm, Feb 11 2012
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ru trying to troll? or ru just that thick-headed

The worst offenders for WM are A-team and Japanzai, I read mangas/manhwas from A-team and Japanzai do i feel like being punished ummm no? both of them release a UN-WM later, i can wait a week or 2 unlike other people (whiny leechers) but also i can drink the delicious tears of butt-hurt leechers biggrin so its all gd for me. You say there are better ways to fight them but yet you dont give any ideas hypocrite much. the only other way i can see to fight them is the whole scanlation community dont release anything for months since they would get no traffic therefore no money but will that ever happen i dont think so. then the other route is more gray, you try to overload their server therefore breaking or try ways to bring down their site sooooooooooooo yeah WMing sounds a lot better to me atm <.<

immersive experience <== what ur just saying your too lazy or u want to have it now. If you want an truely "immersive experience" u can just wait a couple of days but most leechers are whiny/impatient brats and can't wait a couple of days to get UN-WM version. Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh people these days want everything instant :/

PROzess
Post #539275 - Reply to (#539271) by gringe
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11:12 pm, Feb 11 2012
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There is a lot what doesn't seem appropriate.
It's still being done.
My reputation went down the drain long ago.
No use playing the hero now.

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