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MangaStream Drops VIZ Media Licensed Series

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Post #539420 - Reply to (#539415) by DragonAndLance
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10:55 pm, Feb 12 2012
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That is also my opinion. If the product is good people will still buy it as opposed to the case where it's bad and then it will be reflected on the sales numbers.

And that's why I said that most manga, nowadays, relies too much on echiness and pretty much has nothing more than that. For some that may be enough but the majority expects a lot more than panty shots when it comes to spending money on a manga.

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Post #539421 - Reply to (#539414) by Li7hium
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If you believe piracy is the only explanation to the drop in sales then ok... I'll just tell you that ACTA will put that into test very soon. <--- Amen! You do know that most people who buy manga in japan are the japenese, right? >.>

the publishers will eventually vanish, being only a matter of time until that happens. I just hope that happens before the manga industry goes beyond the salvage point. <---- that's why they are going to use ACTA, so they can save what can be saved. These problems have been since OneManga...guess you don't know that...but it doesn't surprise me. Oh and I don't think the big 3 publishers who owns VIZ will disappear that quick...history time: Did you know that VIZ was one of the first companies in USA that released manga since the 80's? You may not know but they started with releasing chapters of dragonball....chapters not volumes. So my conclusion is...you got a higher chance to disappear than VIZ. bigrazz

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Post #539422 - Reply to (#539415) by DragonAndLance
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11:01 pm, Feb 12 2012
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I pirated games, I bought games....now I don't do games anymore except eroge biggrin

Oh and I'll never buy eroges...I am sane enough to know not to stash pron under my bed

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Post #539423 - Reply to (#539393) by PROzess
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11:18 pm, Feb 12 2012
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And then China will go the "and not a single fuck was given" way.

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Post #539424 - Reply to (#539423) by Stoner
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11:19 pm, Feb 12 2012
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In reply to japan should talk to china >.>

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11:34 pm, Feb 12 2012
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to the point of exasperation.

I own too much from VIZ. I can never trust their translations to be accurate, their SFXs are hideous (I've always preferred Del Rey's way of labeling them), and they fcuking /blacked out/ the lesbian/gay henge in Naruto. Seriously, they taint the original so much, and their prices are ridiculously higher.

Mangastream's D.Gray-Man scanlations were the only trustworthy and good quality ones. I own every volume from VIZ, despite the quality.

They're a bunch of cowards, honestly. And eff it. They only take snail mail. What the blast furnace is up with that.

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Foo', you need more creativity. >:T Hide it underneath your mattress!

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11:45 pm, Feb 12 2012
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Wow. There's even more retarded in this article than the one below it.

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Post #539428 - Reply to (#539405) by T1
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i think he meant for VIZ to go bankrupt, and i would rather buy manga in japanese(even with shipping its still cheaper), thats the main reason i learned japanese.

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Post #539429 - Reply to (#539384) by T1
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11:56 pm, Feb 12 2012
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How about you go brush up on your horrible English before making an antagonistic retort to almost every comment on the threads here ^~^? Or don't have anything better to do than sound like a buttmad 12 year old on the internet?

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Post #539430 - Reply to (#539407) by T1
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Actually, making an example out of scanlators by putting some in prison is a viable option for companies. Yes, other groups will go underground and continue releasing still, but getting manga out to the public will at least become a little harder. Of course, Viz didn't let MS go free out of kindness; legal actions are costly and time-consuming

Right now, someone else will just pick up MangaStream's projects, which is particularly a given when talking about the Big Three. I just hope that they do a better job and do not watermark their releases.

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Post #539431 - Reply to (#539419) by T1
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"a) several books have completely missed translated lines" believe me man, I was pretty pissed off by that. It was the first time I bought a manga and when I got home I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I honestly can't remember the title of the manga since it was a long time ago (probably 5 or 6 years ago) but it did happen. And I do understand what you say, scanlation does affect the income of a publisher but what I don't agree is the percentage the companies say they are affected.

For example, I have bought every single volume of Black Lagoon (why did it have to go into hiatus mode... WHYconfused? and thankfully they didn't have typos or mistakes, that I remember seeing) but I refuse to buy manga such as High-School DxD (just to give you an example) because this last title only relies on echi situations and has a weak plot. Let's say tomorrow all the scanlation was over, would I buy any other volume besides the mangas I already know and which I already support the author? I would honestly NOT buy anything else. It would actually work against new artists really because I learner from personal experience that one should always "try" what they buy before hand (bought the war of the worlds dvd with tom cruise and after watching 30 minutes I was already bored... at the end I was questioning myself why did I even buy that... "thing").

All this to say that the authors have all the right in the world to demand their work not to be made available for free online but do they expect someone to simply go buy his/her work without knowing what they can expect? Because we all know how covers can be deceiving, right?

I think the manga industry needs a severe change in mentality because what's been making them lose ground is their fear of taking the next step towards the internet distribution. Someone already said something like an itunes app to distribute manga, I also said something like a huge manga reader site but one thing is for sure, the ones that have much more to lose with this move are todays manga distribution companies because they aren't needed anymore. I mean, think about it.. they are basically the middle man nowadays and they are the ones that get the biggest chunk of the profits yet, with the internet, they are kinda expandable since it allows for a bigger reach with lower costs. All it takes is the manga author and a team of IT experts to maintain the site (I know I'm being very simplistic but the truth is the author would have a bigger importance with this new distribution system) and it would leave litle to no space to nowadays middleman.

As for A-team scanlation group, and risking being called a fanboy, I agree with their attitude on this issue. Sure, they are also committing an illegal action, by scanlating the manga series, but they aren't the ones making a huge profit out of it. Hell, if it weren't for the big online reader sites I'm pretty sure many of these artist wouldn't find their titles so easily around the internet and yet we see someone like Prozess (or what's his name) calling me a hypocrite while he supports an online reading site (batoto)... how ironic is that? He is supporting what's basically killing the profit of the authors... oh, the irony...

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Post #539432 - Reply to (#539421) by T1
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I already knew VIZ dated from the 80's... but let me ask you this then... have you heard about kodak? do you know what they used to sell? I say used to because they declared bankruptcy not that long ago... 5 years ago they were valued over 5 billions dollars and now they are gone. What does this teaches us? What is true today may not be true tomorrow and the same can be said about manga companies.

Their biggest threat is the internet and not because of the scanlation groups. Let me give you an example... What if one of the "big 3" authors decided to quit his publishing company and started releasing his new material directly over the internet in an itunes app kind of thing? What if other authors followed his move? What would happen when all the authors followed this bold move? This would mean the end of the distribution companies and yet the manga titles would still be released.

Do you understand what I mean now? I admit I have some issues in making myself clear sometimes but I hope all has been cleared out now.

"You do know that most people who buy manga in japan are the japenese, right? >.>"
As for this part I couldn't quite get what you meant. Are you implying that japanese read scanlated series instead of buying them? If that's the case I repeat what I said, if people really like something they will end up buying it. If they suddenly couldn't read the show online anymore I don't think that would make them buy anyway (again, that's what would happen in my case. I already buy what I like).

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Post #539433 - Reply to (#539429) by derpMonster
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Haha, he is just mad at online manga readers, because he used to translate manga (with the group Shi-Ki, I believe, which closed down in a fit towards this subject), and now he directs his anger at those who use and support aggregators: in his eyes, everyone that likes scanlations.

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Post #539434 - Reply to (#539412) by PROzess
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You make a very good point: nowadays manga fans want all of their series in one place, easy to find, and no searching involved. Not only does VIZ understand that, they are modeling their business around it. If manga fans want to go to a single site for One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach that is great! As long as that site is Shounen Jump Alpha. Mangastream's problem was not that they were scanlators, it was the fact that they were a one stop site for seven Shounen Jump titles, three of which are part of Alpha's inaugural line up. That is a matter far more series than piracy: Alpha and Mangastream would have been direct competition for the same title. As the copyright holder VIZ has no desire to compete with pirates. Had they only scanlated two Shounen Jump series, fine, no harm. VIZ would not have cared if MS scanlated Naruto and D. Gray Man along with Fairy Tail, Deadman Wonderland, Ippo, and Rock Lee. It was having seven series in one place that was the end of Mangastream.

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