What ever happened to the age old system of starting a new group with new names and a new site when someone slaps a C&D on you. the system works in our favor sometimes. play the system, each group is a entirely different entity and every group needs a C&D before any serious legal actions can be taken. Piracy isn't killing manga, its the manga companies who are ruining their own properties that kill the manga. Even the big Manga giants in japan are mismanaging their properties and it hurts everyone. If anything companies should be mimicking scanlators and aggregators. At the very least they should be going after the aggregators not the small groups who dont profit off their licenses.

That's common....

* and they fcuking /blacked out/ the lesbian/gay henge in Naruto. Seriously, they taint the original so much, and their prices are ridiculously higher.
Blame that to censoring

my idea on how to solve this would be to make a supersite that involves all publishers past and present banding together with scanlators past present to establish a supersite like megaupload in which all the ever manga scanlated can be viewed and in which a scanlation group may be formed. to make this plan a reality all publishers must set aside their differences and as one seek out the leaders of any scanlation group ever created and approach them with a deal in which they are free to translate any series on the condition that the translation only ever be released on this "supersite". the publishers involved in this supersite would then provide full support of translators and provide them with high quality raws if the translators fill out the proper forms. the publishers would need to charge anyone who visits the site and is on it for more than 30minutes a week. the publishers could then charge 100$ a year for membership to the site. and while some of you might find this price high it is in reality very cheap as a member would have full access to any series ever translated. the publishers could then charge an additional 50$ for download links to be available to a member. in other words it would run similar to megaupload but it would be restricted to manga and manhwa. the publishers could then based on how many views a series got in a region then release the manga/manhwa in book form in the specific region. Another way would be to install a type of printing machine into any big name bookstore with which a consumer could input the series he/she wants printed and who they want the translator to be. This is my idea i know it's rough but I think something Like this is possible if the publishers, Authors and the Translators want it enough.

It's not even about the release schedule, it's about the translations, at least for me. I'm willing to wait a bit for releases, heck, I'd buy Bleach in a heartbeat, IF the translations weren't what they are. Maybe I've been spoiled by scanlators and other companies, but I like the honorifics, especially when they are as important to showing familiarity and closeness. So it bothers me to read Orihime call Ichigo "Ichigo" instead of "Kurosaki-kun" of Ishida also call him Ichigo, intead of "Kurosaki."

I've bought some titles from VIZ, some they did an ok job on, like with Beauty Pop and Nightmare Inspector, they left the honorifics, but then with Natsume's Book of Friends, they dropped the honorifics, and that annoys me. I hope they leave the honorifics in Loveless or I'll be really pissed.

On the other hand, there have been countless groups working on Bleach over the years and I'm sure one will rise to the occasion.

Scanlation are meant to promote unknown manga or manga that aren't likely to reach america (or at least how they(scanlator) generally proclaim themselves as. Not a bunch trying to scan only the popular one. Therefore with regard to viz, requesting C&D on the above manga is agreeable. Those manga have already have an establish a huge fan base in America.

What's the point of complaining when the mission to promote these manga had already been accomplished years ago for this manga. And frankly, this is the same as with the entertainment industry, mangaka and publisher aren't making enough. Many mangaka are dirt poor or doing it part time only.

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Then just don't read the manga that are ecchi. I'm pretty sure there are tons other which doesn't involve ecchi.

As for buying, honestly, what the ratio of the manga read and bought. Perhaps one every 20 title...? If the manga are bad, then just don't read it. It shouldn't be, since the manga bad, I'm only going to read online for free (from beginning till the end), they don't deserve my penny. The quality of the manga in general can be tell in only a few chapters, thus you should stop reading after knowing that it's not your cup of tea.

If plain greed and selfishness that leecher/reader only want to read manga without paying a dime and still expect quality. How are the author to increase their manga quality when their livelihood is at risk? Too much worrying about real life issue = degration in manga since they can't plain the story properly.

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the example with kodak seem wrong. The reason why Kodak went bankrupt have nothing to do with piracy, they just lost to legitimate competition since NIkon, Canon, Panasonic can offer better quality. That is their fault for not being innovative enough. Is for this scenario, Vix isn't losing sale with other lega company like Yen Press, but to pirate, thus they can prevent it through legel mean. Manga of their title are easily accessible online for free, whereas Kodak doesn't (people buy other brand, not their = this have nothing to do with piracy, it's hard to prevent anything through legal measure). If Viz loss sale due to other competitor, then you can sad it's their fault for their lack of quality. However frankly it hard to see Viz bankrupt this they one of the pioneer to bring manga to the state. If they go bankrupt, there will most likely be an implosion as manga will most likely become a fad that is disappearing. <there aren't that mush manga company in the state. As well, remember, Vix own rights to many popular manga title like Naruto and bleach. The popular title are the main source of income for viz, not the minor one. Tokyopop fail because they weren't generating enough sake which can be equal to not having much bread-winning manga in their list.

Enough note, japanese publisher quitting their company aren't likely as it mostly isn't own by one person. Most likely a corporate style. All they can do is change how to deliver to title to the viewer. Though their company can to bankrupt if they don't generate enough sale <unlikely in the near future since these company are huge. They run dozens of magazine (maybe even hundreds) and have popular title that viewer love under their belt.

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Thanks for posting that. It contains all of my feelings and more. Come on guys, do you really want a company to go out of business just because they're not doing things as efficiently as they could? I wonder how many of use would never have discovered manga if it weren't for the hard copies. Not to mention, think of all the jobs that would be lost. Isn't the job market crappy enough already?

I'm very happy that Viz took it back from Mangastream. I hope we can support Mangaka by buying the manga not read it free. My opinion is better than you all. (P.S : don't kid yourself)

I hope Mangastream can still scan a new manga and make that manga famous.

Like this manga [URL="http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=73271" ]Ino Atama Gargoyle [/URL]

For One piece, Naruto, Bleach, I think we can still read at mangahere, mangafox, mangareader. Don't worry. If you still can't read it, just buy it, simple. I wonder how many year we read it free. huhuhu

P.S : I still wait manga like One Piece, Bleach and Naruto or manga like Dragon Ball, but there are still no manga like it. I think, I have to wait 10 more years.

I am inclined to agree. How can anyone want Viz to stop translating? I mean, I have quite a few manga. I Viz would stop, how would I finish those? Because, frankly, I do not feel like learning Japanese. And I can hardly be the only one.

I am glad that there are companies like Viz who translate manga. I think most people are. That does not mean I am not sad about the fact that Mangastrema has to stop scanlating. I read Narute, Bleach, One Piece, D.Gray-man and Claymore online.
And I own at least nineteen volumes of each of those series. So yes, I am sorry that Mangastream has to stop. But that sure won't stop me from buying the manga Viz Media publishes.

And seriously... Remember Tokyopop? Everyone was so full of complains about them. The pages were thin, not enough releases etc. etc. But when they went bankrupt, did you hear people cheering? Well, I sure didn't. When they went bankrupt, people suddenly realised that they couldn't read there manga in english anymore. So then they got mad at not being able to read at all. Now imagine Viz going bankrupt. Imagine the manga, anime, merchandise... Imagine it all gone. Would you be happy with that?
I sure wouldn't.

So be carefull what you wish for.

You either didn't read my post properly, or you are just avoiding the point. This was not supposed to be "priracy vs buying" argument. I never said you should stop pirating and start buying. All I am saying is that it's stupid to hate Viz for forcing mangastream to close. Even I, who often read manga for free, know at least that much. Some of the posts in this topic were pretty ridiculous.

Actually, quite a lot of people were glad to see Tokyopop close, and I am sure many would be glad to see same thing happen to Viz... than to YenPress, Kodansha USA, Seven Seas... in the end, there will be no way to read manga except scanlations. And that is NOT a good thing.

Well, luckily for me, that will not happen, at least not soon. Viz is still going strong, sort of.

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There is always a group of people who does not want the same thing as the majority. I, for one, am happy that Viz, Kodansha etc. exist. I like buying manga. It looks ever so pretty on my bookselves.