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narfertje
Post #539663 - Reply to (#539554) by philip72
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6:53 pm, Feb 17 2012
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Technically there is one group that deserves payment: the mangaka/publishing company. They are the ones who put the manga out there in the first place.

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Post #539664 - Reply to (#539634) by fleshcut
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7:06 pm, Feb 17 2012
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That's what I said! I want my cut of the dough!

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Post #539665 - Reply to (#539634) by fleshcut
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7:11 pm, Feb 17 2012
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This.

So much b.s. here, it's ridiculous. The point isn't that a group is "profitable" it's that they take any money at all, whether it's "donations" or Adsense dollars or what have you. If you are in it because teh olev for teh manga fans, you can EASILY do this without laying out a dime. You could dump chapters on 4chan, you could do as we do and run a blog on a free webhost and distro on Mediafire/etc. "Well we have all of these hosting expenses, we have to buy raws from Chinese triads..." BULLSHIT. You want a quick, flashy site and be able to turn out scanlations at maximum speed to attract and capture site visits/downloads ... holy shit, this sounds just like a BUSINESS thinks, eh?

And I actually have no problem with this - if a group wants to face potential legal heat for what they do and make cash, hey, go for it. But spare us the sanctimonious b.s. that you're doing it for the fans. The fans don't demand that you buy tanks to get them faster for scanning, the fans don't demand that you have 50 ms pageload times. They don't even demand that you scanlate manga at all. If you can't swing whatever costs there are in your mind for doing this stuff then don't do it.

I like guys like SaHa who straight up take money for stuff people want them to do and make no bones about it. Don't tell me that you need a Mangafox affiliation FOR TEH FANS and insult my intelligence.

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Post #539666 - Reply to (#539660) by RiK.dfs
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8:29 pm, Feb 17 2012
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Actually it's like this: When it's made it Japan then it's licensed in the whole world by the company in Japan...that's the reason why other companies buys the license from the Japan company to sells the shit in their coountry.

So yes the manga is licensed when it's licensed in Japan. Like the manhua when it's licensed in China and the manwha is licensed when it's licensed in Korea. Why do you think the new breaker author asks people nicely to stop scanlating his stuff, before he gets enough, get angry and then starts to sue people. Yes, the world is evil! Specially for people who make stuff T.T

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Post #539667 - Reply to (#539652) by T1
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9:05 pm, Feb 17 2012
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My people already killed the administration back in 89. No problem doing it again.

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Post #539668 - Reply to (#539666) by T1
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9:42 pm, Feb 17 2012
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A license usually is location specific. With media it's usually just licensed for a specific region (such as country). It's only valid in the area specified in the license (legal document). Publishers for different regions (such as other countries) will need to obtain a license from the owner for rights to publish/distribute inside their specific region (so it's a different license).

If people want to read up on this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License
(just had to post this since for a few days I've been seeing posts all over the place at different forums and such with people trying to talk like they're lawyers but don't really understand what a license is).

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Post #539669 - Reply to (#539650) by T1
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10:36 pm, Feb 17 2012
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Well, sometimes you have to do the wrong thing for the right reasons, kind of a Robin Hood scenario.

The law isn't always right, nor is it sacred, and it surely isn't on point regarding Copyright law, just as media companies aren't on point with their old marketing system.

We do what we think is right based on what we believe, if it doesn't fit with someone else's point of view, that's their problem.

A company works for both the benefit of the people and for themselves, right now, the scales are tipped towards their own benefit (owners, employees get paid the same), it's time to even the scales out a bit, don't you think?

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Post #539670 - Reply to (#539646) by PROzess
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10:46 pm, Feb 17 2012
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Those two concepts are intertwined, we pirate because we love the manga (just not the price, or quality, or both).
Keep in mind that MU would never have been what it is today without the assistance from piracy.
Piracy can and does have positive effects, some of us just don't notice or even refuse to see them.

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Post #539671 - Reply to (#539669) by Milleniummaster18
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11:14 pm, Feb 17 2012
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Robin hood was saving people, ya kno...you can't draw parallel to this, no matter how you turn it. It's comics, dammit! If you can't live without it you really need a life, that's a given.

The law isn't always right, we see that always in USA. Still in this case the law is right, there's no reason to go against the law for our own selfish pleasure. If you don't like the product given by the license holders then you don't buy it. You don't end up doing criminal activity to make a point, especially not when it comes to something called manga aka comics. That would make people laugh in court and then judge you guilty after they stopped laughing. xD

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Post #539672 - Reply to (#539667) by Ascension
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11:15 pm, Feb 17 2012
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You mean, your people will kill for comics? lol at your people xD

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Post #539673 - Reply to (#539668) by RiK.dfs
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11:18 pm, Feb 17 2012
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"Publishers for different regions (such as other countries) will need to obtain a license from the owner for rights to publish/distribute inside their specific region (so it's a different license)."

You say it so nicely yourself that I don't got anything to add. This is the thingie I talk about. So if someone who starts scanlating stuff talks about license it would mean nothing since the scanlator hasn't bought any license for the rights to sell/scanlator/anythingelsewiththetitle from the owner.

PROzess
Post #539674 - Reply to (#539670) by Milleniummaster18
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11:49 pm, Feb 17 2012
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We didn't start scanlation for the sake of piracy.
We started it to promote manga.
But that is changing recently.
The scanlation scene is just too profitable now.

What I'm saying is, we wanted to spread the love for manga. Our love also had respect for the creaters (or their rightful owners, the publisher). But RHS's stunt neither has love nor respect. And that's the problem.

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Post #539675 - Reply to (#539671) by T1
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11:51 pm, Feb 17 2012
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You have to see it like this:
Some kids in whatever place are so addicted to manga now that they would die if they don't get their weekly dose.
Thus we're saving people!!


/me sighs
Just too stupid.
You can't argue with the public...

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Post #539676 - Reply to (#539674) by PROzess
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12:44 am, Feb 18 2012
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Totally, because as long as North America gets the manga it's all good.

PROzess
Post #539677 - Reply to (#539676) by ink junkie
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1:08 am, Feb 18 2012
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Well, actually it's not all good.
Because people complain at the "slow" release of english publisher and thus want the piracy to continue.
But that wasnt the original goal of scanlation.
Nowadays its just about getting FAST releases for FREE.

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