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Milleniummaster18
Post #539693 - Reply to (#539680) by RiK.dfs
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1:15 am, Feb 19 2012
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I would consider revising that first statement of yours, since piracy does hold value to the masses, just look at Sweden or China.

Boycotting requires a lot of organization, something we lack greatly up here in the west, the Europeans can do something like this, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if they already have.
Piracy is a form of boycotting, with the exception that the people don't get affected for not getting the benefit, since they're reproducing (contrast "stealing") the original product. That's the 21st century for you, smart people doing smart things.

And you can easily ignore or say no to a petition.

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Post #539694 - Reply to (#539693) by Milleniummaster18
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When I meant petition I meant as a notice so they can be aware of specifics that people consider a problem and requested to fix (such as quality). And I will not revise my statement. It's my opinion and that of many others.

And reproducing a product under these conditions is stealing. If you believe otherwise then we simply disagree on that.

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Post #539695 - Reply to (#539692) by Milleniummaster18
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Thieves or pirates, makes no difference, you're still stealing. If you want to stick that "band" be my guess, but don't sugarcoat the act. There's no sticking it to the man on it, nor is it making an example of the company.
The fact that Shueisha is trying to property, their employees, and the authors means they're doing something right. If I was an employee or an author I'd be happy they're stepping up.
I can agree money corrupts looking at whole issue with individuals making money off manga distribution in the scanslation world. But you also have to realize that these companies aren't big banks on Wall Street or something. These are all regular companies with proper licences that they bought, with employees who have families to take care of. And lets not forget the authors, they're far from rich, not all of them even make it overseas. Only a select few have made it big and not by much. So, sorry if I don't think your "rebel" theory holds weight. The only illusion you need to look past is your own ego of everything should be for you.

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Post #539696 - Reply to (#539691) by RiK.dfs
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12:45 pm, Feb 19 2012
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- facepalm - Ever heard of context? Did you not see the "if" statement before that sentence? Did you really think I was claiming to be NOT pirating, and not stating that "even if I'm not pirating, it doesn't mean I will be buying?"

I apologize if your grasp on the English language is limited, and thus not privy to the subtler forms of sentence construction.

And in any case, let's get rid of this semantic crap. I wholeheartedly admit I am pirating. Well then. If that's seriously the only "contradiction" you can throw at me, the rest of my tirade is still perfectly valid.

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Post #539697 - Reply to (#539696) by ink junkie
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3:56 pm, Feb 19 2012
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I know English. Maybe YOU don't.
And the use of "if" in that manner DOES imply that it is true in your case.
And since you're going to be such a jackass in this issue I'm just gonna ignore everything else you say.

End of story.

Milleniummaster18
Post #539698 - Reply to (#539694) by RiK.dfs
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I agree on our disagreement, if that makes any sense.

And with that, I conclude my end of the conversation, pleasure discussing this with you.

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Post #539699 - Reply to (#539695) by jrdragon2003
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Not everything, just those things we like from them and want to share with others around the world (while making an implied point in the process), if a manga's international availability is either non-existent or not to our liking (butchered localizations, ridiculously expensive imports, or we just like to prove we can do a better translation of these mangas, make them known around the community), we are compelled to perform these acts until they are smart enough to provide a solution, since they're not going to win this battle.

I can't speak for the employees. When you stick your head between the middle of a shitstorm like that it's bound to be cut, if not chopped off entirely. Best thing we can do is try to minimize the body count.
I can, however, advise them to contribute with our cause and persuade their employers to try a reasonably priced alternative that works for everyone, and I mean everyone.

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Post #539700 - Reply to (#539698) by Milleniummaster18
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8:33 pm, Feb 19 2012
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I agree with you on this.

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Post #539701 - Reply to (#539673) by T1
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8:35 pm, Feb 19 2012
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Exactly.

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Post #539702 - Reply to (#539699) by Milleniummaster18
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Now that's more of a sensible answer I was looking for. Now I can't say piracy is the right path for helping everyone but for the scanslation world it does seem sensible... However that's if it doesn't grow so big that it turns groups into profit makers. If it was just for exposure for a certain manga, or bringing it overseas to places it wouldn't normally go to, then fine. But in the mean time I still can't agree that it's a justifiable protest. Especially with a broken economy crackdown on the "pirates" will be even harder. If it's stealing from regular employees, no matter how hard you want to wish it the "pirates" will lose this battle. Their heads weren't put in the middle by choice, it was forced there. And it definitely not done by their employers, at least by choice. The real best thing would be sticking to the roots of scanslations were, underground groups sharing at a steady rate behind the regular releases, and to get rid of the attitude that we're fighting a revolution cause we aren't. I agree with you though that it's up too employees to change their employers (optimistic, but truly a better option over blatant theft).

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Post #539703 - Reply to (#539672) by T1
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2:34 pm, Feb 20 2012
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Not for comics duh... Censoring our rights to the internet, and policing it as well...

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Post #539704 - Reply to (#539662) by kawaiiusagichan
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10:14 pm, Feb 22 2012
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Get off my internetz!

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Post #539705 - Reply to (#539552) by thevampirate
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7:34 am, Feb 25 2012
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I find it kind of curious that there seems to be this notion that taking such an action allows one to somehow circumvent the law. The very moment RHS distributes that work (and it doesn't matter how they go about it) they have broken the law. It doesn't matter if it is found on their site or not, and legal action can still be taken against them if those in question should so choose. This is basically just a cowardly way of "saying no". What RHS needs is a pair of balls... Monkey balls. Instead they run screaming to mangafox like a little girl and continue scanlating. I don't know about you, but I don't think that's a precedent for other groups to follow.

With regards to why one might go after a small scanlation group as opposed to an aggregator, it's really quite obvious. Why boil the river when you can fix the dam?

monkeyballs
Post #539706 - Reply to (#539625) by RiK.dfs
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7:40 am, Feb 25 2012
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Do you get in legal trouble for drawing on a book you own, photocopying it, and passing it out to six hundred people? Depends on how much the book sucks.

monkeyballs
Post #539707 - Reply to (#539632) by Milleniummaster18
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7:54 am, Feb 25 2012
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Gimme a break. You don't even know who "the man" is.

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