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RiK.dfs
Post #539543 - Reply to (#539539) by DatCat
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5:04 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Not as much of the money goes to the group as you think it does on Mangafox. That's part of the problem groups are complaining about with Mangafox. Look at some other threads and you'll see a whole slew of information on this.

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5:06 pm, Feb 16 2012
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That's why I don't like shortening mangafox to MF-.-

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5:07 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Yeah, sure mangafox makes a lot of more money. And we all hate them for that.
But it's even more worse that a fellow scanlator is taken money from them and even plays dumb about it.

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Post #539546 - Reply to (#539545) by PROzess
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5:11 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Holy cow, you b*itch a lot. Does this sh*t even matter? Is it REALLY affecting you and yours to any large degree? Are you closing down shop because of it? Just let it go, man. You're going to go bald before you're 30 at this rate...

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5:23 pm, Feb 16 2012
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It doesn't bother me as much as you think.
It's just funny seeing reaction of guys like you.

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Post #539548 - Reply to (#539547) by PROzess
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5:56 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Hmm... really? How fascinating, seeing as I don't care about the topic. After all, I'm not the one complaining the whole thread through and calling people sc*m. Well, I don't care either way, little mosquito. Enjoy your day.

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Post #539549 - Reply to (#539548) by ZL11
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6:28 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Years ago, people posted "don't care" responses just like yours (or lol put on your tinfoil hat) when people warned each time issues came up where fans were urged to get involved such as DMCA, ACTA, PROTECT, etcetera. Sure, some things take awhile to get the ball rolling, so short-sighted people disclaim there is any problem that requires them to care about defending the fandom ecostructure. But problems typically beget other problems.

The Shogakukan company is figuratively the founding parent of three major media company of which Shueisha is one of them. Shogakukan had a message on their website directed against intellectual property violators and stated that they would not tolerate violations. They also named doujinshi as a specific violator. Presumably, the other three firms will follow their parent's lead and it seems the case. Haven't you noticed the dearth of doujinshi from C81 for certain anime series despite their huge popularity? The media company war against doujinshi is in its infancy but you can expect the ball to continue rolling when the doujinshi makers get a "megaupload" poster child of their own.

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6:37 pm, Feb 16 2012
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In other words, they will keep translating those titles, just not having them on their site? That is . . . Not news.

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7:23 pm, Feb 16 2012
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The act of editing manga isn't illegal? Well, that's news to me.

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Post #539552 - Reply to (#539550) by Seijurou
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7:31 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Its not actually news but I think that this is a great news post because it shows other groups how to properly deal with DCMA / C&D notices. They specifically point out that Scanlating is 100% legal however distribution of the scanlations is piracy (ie. illegal). The way they chose to go about this issue compared to the way most groups respond (most tell them no or drop the series entirely) shows ingenuity and sets a precedent for other groups to follow.
On the other hand Vis and Shueisha has every right to go after aggregators who are clearly in violation of the law and should be targeting them in the first place. Why they would go after small scanlation groups instead is beyond my understanding.

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Post #539553 - Reply to (#539551) by dosetsu
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7:33 pm, Feb 16 2012
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Same as driving above speed limit until you get caught!

philip72
Post #539554 - Reply to (#539529) by PROzess
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7:37 pm, Feb 16 2012
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And how much money did Japanzai make from Depositfiles and Batoto?
And if MangaFox has started paying scanlators, how is it different from Batoto?

The fact that Batoto pays scanlators, bothers me almost as much as MangaFox keeping the dough themselves.
The reason so many have refused to join the MangaFox crusade, unlike the Narutofan battle, is that so many scan groups have become moneymakers themselves recently.
It's hypocritical. One group of thieves bitching that they're getting robbed.

No group should receive payment of any kind. It's entirely possible to run a group on donations (for raws only) alone. The scan groups just have to scale back on their giant e-peen enterprises.
No group needs servers, a fancy website, a (usually empty) forum, and contests.

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Post #539555 - Reply to (#539554) by philip72
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7:50 pm, Feb 16 2012
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The scanlators make money only from their own projects on Batoto.
Mangafox makes money on ALL titles.

So you say, donation are okay, but why is the money from ads no good? Why can't the scanlator use that for the raws? It doesn't cost the readers anything -.-'

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7:53 pm, Feb 16 2012
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You guys keep talking about money, what's the problem if they're profiting or not, the important thing is that they provide the series for us, people like to create rules about scanlation but truth be told, it's all crap. You are not satisfied with their work? Do something better, just some empty complain wont help.

thevampirate
Post #539557 - Reply to (#539551) by dosetsu
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7:54 pm, Feb 16 2012
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no editing manga is like making a parody or editing any other image. On the other hand distributing (or even linking to sites that distribute) copyrighted or licensed material is piracy and can be a felony offence, but just editing it is fine. On the other hand they might be committing conspiracy to pirate copyrighted materials but that's nearly impossible to prove.

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