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Post #539784 - Reply to (#539778) by panda14ify
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12:31 am, Feb 20 2012
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You still don't get it. There's no need to donate to them.

The thing that has resulted in them coming after scanlators is that we got online manga readers that earn money on the release by having people to click on the pages to read the manga. The readers click to read and the owners of the online readers get money.

Now scanlators has been pissed about it a lot and have tried to get the readers to help support them. Instead of supporting the readers ignored them. The scanlators put watermarks to get the message through and the readers find it whining from the scanlators side. So while the readers and scanlators fights the owners of the online readers wants more money so they make adds that pops up all over the net, making more people to come so they can get more money.

Sounds cool, right? But it's not!

One day companies who make the manga finds the ads and gets angry. Since they can't get hold of online readers atm and sue their asses they go after the scanlators instead. The scanlators are tired of the fighting with the readers who still think they are complaining so they give up by dropping the title or closing the group cuz they don't wanna fight; readers, online readers and manga companies...since it's not worth it.

This all result in readers are screwed.
Manga readers still get money since they got a database full of mangas.
Scanlators get a life n use it productive.

Can you see who lose in this big fight and who wins big by this whole crap?

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Post #539785 - Reply to (#539756) by bas_trad
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12:33 am, Feb 20 2012
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Indeed, you get one interweb cookie with white stuff

Now don't just eat it in one go.

"I can read moonspeak too"

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Post #539786 - Reply to (#539784) by T1
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4:47 am, Feb 20 2012
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I don't really see the winner, but I definitely see the losers in it all in the end, namely everybody. International comics like manga, will eventually die if this goes on.

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Why do people get scared of those companies? They can't do anything, otherwise they would have done so already. Look at NOEZ, a huge Chinese-owned company, who's involved in much more than online aggregators. If publishers wanted to sue, they'd hit that company (since it'd really pay off), but since they host modified images, they found a loophole and therefore can't be touched. People should read copy write laws. It's really only the people actively scanning the manga who could get in trouble. Scanlating rides on the border of legality. Thanks to loopholes and technicalities, people can post series online worry-free. Don't people realize that if they were going to sue, they wouldn't beg people to stop scanning their material and would have done so many years ago. Countless scanlators have done Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, all of which has been licensed in English for years, but none have ever been sued. The three biggest series being pirated despite being licensed and no lawsuits? If they haven't sued for that (and there's been PLENTY of time), they wont sue for anything. Not to mention it's more of a civil matter than criminal since people don't take credit for art and dialogue. The internet is like the exception to the copy write laws in sense. Believe this, when (actually if) the law cracks down on manga and anime, the online readers will be hit first and hardest. It's like the drug dealer chain, but backwards. The scanlators themselves are small timers, even though they produce the "product", and the online readers are like the distributors pushing everyone's "product." Same concept, just backwards.

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-No longer do I quote great scholars, the famous, etc. Kids feigning wisdom ruined it.
--I wont type a post like a college report. If you don't read it just for that reason, you don't have to post why your hoity-toity ass refused to. I swear, so many people on this site are so full of themselves. A lot seem to think they always have an "intelligent and/or logical" point or show signs of a superiority complex. They never admit they're wrong. Maybe partially, but excuses abound! :\
-Stop mailing me about my comments. I don't read them.
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Post #539788 - Reply to (#539734) by KaoriNite
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Not illegal, but borderline (about as close as one can get). Copy write laws are very confusing, but I've actually consulted a family member who is an attorney. Most scanlations fall through a loophole. That's why a huge company like NOEZ can turn a profit from piracy legitimately. Had SOPA and PIPA passed, that would've be different. If there was any real legal backing to this, Funimation and Viz would have sued YEARS ago. It's not like they'd lose money on lawsuits since companies like NOEZ have plenty to fork over. I already posted this, but it's only the people actively scanning the manga that are breaking the law.
If people find something like this hard to believe, just look up super pac laws dealing with people trying to get elected. If something like that is allowed to happen, then why would the idea of scanlating being pseudo-legal be so absurd?

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-No longer do I quote great scholars, the famous, etc. Kids feigning wisdom ruined it.
--I wont type a post like a college report. If you don't read it just for that reason, you don't have to post why your hoity-toity ass refused to. I swear, so many people on this site are so full of themselves. A lot seem to think they always have an "intelligent and/or logical" point or show signs of a superiority complex. They never admit they're wrong. Maybe partially, but excuses abound! :\
-Stop mailing me about my comments. I don't read them.
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Post #539789 - Reply to (#539758) by PROzess
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10:23 am, Feb 21 2012
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lol really now? having selective memory must be convenient eh?

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Post #539790 - Reply to (#539783) by T1
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10:24 am, Feb 21 2012
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oh my god, I never thought I'd ever see this elementary level insult again- oh wait, it's t1. nevermind.

if you say so buddy.

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Post #539791 - Reply to (#539782) by RiK.dfs
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3:27 pm, Feb 22 2012
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Yes, yes, yes. Whatever. I don't actually care one way or the other. And translating from one language to another is difficult; this gem goes into the DUH bin. Still, even if translation is difficult, choosing the BEST word is essential. Regardless, this is all (as has been mentioned) "forum" talk, and doesn't effect me in the least, or alter my opinion. And, if there's another LONG whiny comment following me, trying to back up something I REALLY don't care about, well, whatever. I even got called ignorant... which is hilarious, but I can't be bothered to defend because that would take more effort than I care to expend. But, all this is wonderful. It reminds me why I rarely participate in forums anymore. Ha ha ha... such serious opinions are good... keep it up.

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Post #539792 - Reply to (#539790) by bas_trad
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7:04 pm, Feb 22 2012
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I do.

Still, I'm sorry if you feel offended by I really have to get down to the same level as you otherwise you won't get it.

(If you didn't get it I can start talking in a way you get it again, just say so)

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Post #539793 - Reply to (#539787) by That3rdGuy
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7:07 pm, Feb 22 2012
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Actually I read an article about China and Japan talking about getting a deal where they can start hunting those illegal sites in China who put scans up...this means not only mangafox and mangahere but also those chinese scanlations online readers. They started the talks last year so...I guess very soon, eh?

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Post #539794 - Reply to (#539787) by That3rdGuy
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5:21 am, Feb 23 2012
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i read all these comments and the only thing that comes to mind is Shoulda had a V8.

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Post #539795 - Reply to (#539793) by T1
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10:33 pm, Feb 24 2012
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Yeah, that type of government control over the Internet is ONLY in China, and it's not working that well. As long as the Internet remains fluid and cloudy, there will be ways around it. After all, you can't stop the signal...

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Post #539796 - Reply to (#539722) by derpMonster
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6:51 am, Feb 25 2012
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lol Shipping costs...in a time of high-speed internet connection. Why is it so hard for them to use said internet to cut out the shipping costs. Sure, it'll have to be produced here(from digital info to paper), but I still assume that would be far cheaper than the over-seas shipping would.

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Post #539797 - Reply to (#539795) by ZL11
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9:46 am, Feb 25 2012
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of course you can...you just think you can't.

If you read a little about the echolon project and how nicely we can traffic and monitor the net you will be surprised how scary the net really is.

And I said that Japan is trying to get China to help them stopping the illegal posting of scanlations....what's wrong with that? O.o Illegal is still illegal. It's like the camera's they are putting up in over here to monitor that people don't do anything wrong cough*bigbrotheriswatchingyou*cough bigrazz

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Post #539798
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9:53 am, Feb 25 2012
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So....I just found out another dude closed his scanlation group xD

Since MU hasn't written about it I'll just post is here:

Manga by Request is stopping scanlation and closing down the blog/group. This is happening to due to lost interesting in scanlating.

Taken from his blog:
"Wish I had some fancy excuse, but I just don't feel like scanslating any more. I'll keep the blog up for another month or two before closing it down."

More information can be gotten from: http://mangabyrequest.blogspot.com/

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