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Anyone think antipiracy is going overboard and getting too greedy in Japan? Man Arrested for uploading

The said titles one is an anime episode which was more than 1 yr old while the other is a game more than 7 years old. I can understand if they take action if they making a profit out it but I can't understand why they go as far as arresting someone uploading an anime episode more than 1 yr old and a game more than 7 years old for free. What do you guys think?

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I can't really say overboard because it is illegal and everyone knows it.
I mean there's always messages telling you not to do these things or else the consequences will be blahblahblah etc.

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That's like Daily News in Japan. Nothing remarkable. Will not stop fansubbing and scanlations. Transport Streams are where it's at.

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If you ask me they are getting too greedy. Anywhere else in the world in that situation especially US the companies basically forget about them and if they are still being sold they it would be selling at a drastically lower price then when it was first introduced so profit on those would be rather neglible.

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If you ask me they are getting too greedy. Anywhere else in the world in that situation especially US the companies basically forget about them and if they are still being sold they it would be selling at a drastically lower price then when it was first introduced so profit on those would be rather neglible.

Weeds left unattended grow and spread.
It's not necessarily about the money.

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1 anime episode more than 1 year old which aired on TV is basically worthless unless dubbed and a game more than 7 years old which more than likely you will rent if you are interested because by this time that game will be hard to find in a store! All I see is its all about money and trying to extract as much money as possible. If it was like the latest stuff recently released then I can completely agree with them but not for this.

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The anime industry is doing pretty badly.
The games industry has seen better days.
Piracy doesn't help this - no matter how "old" the content may be.
Sure, there's money involved - money that they still deserve. Some of these guys weren't even paid properly according to western standards.
The law is there to deter people from pirating - the money is just a bonus.
No one's gonna be afraid of committing a crime if the punishment for doing it is a petty one.
You may prefer to delude yourself, but there are no good reasons for piracy.

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... but there are no good reasons for piracy

There is one, actually.... and a very good one, at that.

DRM

Though this (at the moment) has little to do with the manga industry. Anime, I'm not so sure, though most Blu Rays are DRM'd in one form or another. Pretty sure most US publishers/marketers would DRM the f*ck out of everything they license just for the fun of it.



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The anime industry is doing pretty badly.
The games industry has seen better days.
Piracy doesn't help this - no matter how "old" the content may be.
Sure, there's money involved - money that they still deserve. Some of these guys weren't even paid properly according to western standards.
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Western standards! Western standards is a joke as alot are unionized which caused several companies to go down due to their unreasonable demands. Game industry is mostly a self inflicted wound as games now are alot more pricier that more people now a days rather rent the game rather than buy them. Anime industry is pretty greedy. Which production company in their right mind would try to mint money after their show aired on TV. Obviously they already earned what is necessary the first time the show aired on TV through Ad revenue and to say otherwise is nonsense as this is how all tv show productions work. More popular the show the more ad revenue they get and more the production company can demand tv channels for their show. Anything sold of that show after it aired is for additional not so necessary profits (usually only hard core fans of the show will buy).

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Game industry is mostly a self inflicted wound as games now are a lot more pricier that more people now a days rather rent the game rather than buy them.

Wow...totally talking out of your ass there...
There's a reason why games are more expensive these days - and it's not because of greed.

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Anime industry is pretty greedy... Obviously they already earned what is necessary...

Fuckin LOOOL!!

You are delusional, guy.
Go do some research before trying to make a point - let alone justify piracy.

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I never justified piracy. I just said they are going overboard for something that aired on tv. Unlike you I know how business and economy works. Why do you think several game rental companies came into existence in only the last few years? Back in the day there was only blockbuster and now there are several (gamefly, Gamerang, Game Mine, blockbuster, and several local rental companies). Nearly every town today has game rental store and cities have several. My town itself now has three which few years ago it only had the local rental store.

More rental stores show up then that means more now that choose to rent. More people that rent usually means games are now too expensive for most people to buy. Even if the rental stores pay an extravagent rate to the game maker to get permission to rent out those games it only covers so much. Say the rental place 10 copies of a game that 30 people are interested in renting and everone of them can't wait to play that game. The other 20 will consider buying the game but after looking at the price tag they would choose to wait for the copy to comeback in the rental store. The game maker loses all these possible profits because of their excessive prices to the common man.
I understand that fact that the game took more effort to make but where is the cosideration of the fact that they have far more powerful computers which made making it faster and the fact where now there are new coding templates that makes coding for the games alot easier. I call this greed. Fact is most businesses today revolve around greed.

Its a fact that any series that gets aired on tv the production companies get paid by the channel it airs on which covers all production costs.

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Quote from RS456
I never justified piracy. I just said they are going overboard for something that aired on tv. Unlike you I know how business and economy works. Why do you think several game rental companies came into existence in only the last few years? Back in the day there was only blockbuster and now there ...


Your last line there is troubling. You realize that the channel pays the production companies in order to make a profit, right? They maintain the rights to DVD sales and the like because an enormous chunk of the money comes from there. If the ratings are low- and they tend to be for things that air at one in the morning- there are only negligible earnings from advertising revenue. That isn't enough to keep the industry in existence.

Piracy is piracy. It's illegal, they have a right to protect their property and the effort it took to create it. No matter how "easy" something is to make, there was still effort expended to make it. You don't have a right to it for free unless the creator says that you do.

Business ALWAYS revolves around greed. That's the point of it, really, but who cares? Regardless of what the reason behind something may be, there isn't any reason a company should have to wantonly feed your entitlement complex. If you ask me, it's actually your greed that is misplaced here. You want things that don't belong to you and are angry when the people that they do belong to take measures to protect it. More than anything else, that just strikes me as pathetic.

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I have to agree with RS456 to some extent. The game industry has become somewhat greedy. I know first hand that game development is expensive, but when a game cost 1/4 of the hardware necessary to play the game then something is wrong. It feels like they want to milk as much money from the somewhat limited amount of people who buy the game at the high price rather then trying to sell it for a lower price but to more people.

And not to justify piracy, but something for thought. Last year I only planed to buy 2 games - Skyrim and the Witcher. Thanks to games being available online I bought another 7 games after trying them. So I wouldn't say that piracy is only bad.

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Anyone think antipiracy is going overboard and getting too greedy in Japan? Man Arrested for uploading[/url]

The said titles one is an anime episode which was more than 1 yr old while the other is a game more than 7 years old. I can understand if they take action if they making a profit out it but I ca ...


They are not really getting overboard with this arrest but more of that it should have been done long time ago to be honest...

The law: Japan's Copyright Act (Act No. 48 of May 6, 1970, as amended by Act No. 101 of June 12, 1998) clearly stated that all works that are under the protection of the Japan's Copyright Act are given at least 50 years term of protection or until the rightful owner(s) death. The person arrested is definitely breaking this old Copyright Act by uploading the said content without the permission from the copyright holder.

By the way, in Japan, the anime industry and the gaming industry are truly struggling with survival. Good, but small, game companys are being shutdown or incorporated to other big well-known game company simply because they lack the revenue to go on e.g. Flight-Plan (best known for the Summon Night series) and duration of a tv anime series are mostly now depending not only on how popular it tv ratings are (or if their manga counterpart is popular) but also if it DVD's sales are positive...

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First of all, rental companies are not the cause of the price hike, they are the result of it. Get it right.
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I understand that fact that the game took more effort to make but where is the cosideration of the fact that they have far more powerful computers which made making it faster and the fact where now there are new coding templates that makes coding for the games alot easier.

Oh? So you've helped developed games? Your insight is quite astounding!
How "easier" do these templates make coding games, O' experienced one? Which games that are out right now have you helped code with and without using these templates? I wanna know by just how much it makes coding "a lot easier".
Must be one helluva series of text adventure games - you know, without the need of graphic artists, animators, composers, modelers, sponsors and all that expensive jazz. You benevolent bastard, you. roll eyes

And in terms of anime, production costs =! Proper pay for the dev team. We're talking about and industry filled with severely underpaid monkeys slaving away long hours to meet harsh deadlines here. Greedy is not a word I'd use to describe them.

And finally, you seem to have missed my whole point, so let me quote myself - just for you.
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The law is there to deter people from pirating - the money is just a bonus.
No one's gonna be afraid of committing a crime if the punishment for doing it is a petty one.

So no, they're not going overboard.

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