what you said might be true...but still...even if people start to accept homosexual marriage that doesnt mean hell will break loose !!! you cant stop people feeling...if you are one...think about how you gonna feel when u know that people against your marriage just because you too are the same gender...

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Marriage is utter bullshit.
All marriages should be illegal or none of them.
It's just a status for two people, the rest being outsiders.

As for children's development, 90% of all the people on earth
are fucking retarded, sanctimonious busybodies whose greatest
joy is to focus on shit that has nothing to do with them such as reality shows
or gossip, telling other people how they should live their lives,
while trying to hide from reprehension themselves and overall are
as much a gangrene to the plane teach as people like Paris Hilton are
to the society, because they aren't either beautiful and natural
like wild animals or smart like people who think holistically.
That kind of people themselves are the greatest perversion and no amount of
scat-bondage-fisting-pederasty-fish-in-rectum-stretching can be more severe.
I don't personally know any people from gay families, but having
a less stagnant and offensive upbringing generally produces individuals
who don't view themselves as the center of the universe and don't
posses the divine right. I don't care if people are old-fashioned, as long
as they don't come and push their hereditary dumbassiness to others by force.
I don't bother with them, since 90% of the people just aren't worth the time,
but it is annoying as fuck when they force you to pay attention to them.

I don't understand either counterpart, homosexuals who want to get married,
because marriage is just a ceremony where you upgrade your relationship
status but nothing actually changes, like replacing 44 inch screen with a 45 inch screen
or people who think they have the freedom to tell others that they are living wrong,
especially when the only problem they have is you now that you opened your mouth.

I'm okay with everything that is not part of my life by any means.
I only find things wrong where suffering is caused.
If someone suffers just because they are being idiotic, like thinking
something is wrong just because it is against their view of how thing should
be, when the things haven't even got anything to do with the aforementioned person,
then suffering is just great.

I am not religious or gay and I haven't got the slightest intention to
ever upgrade into marriage if I get into a relationship as I hold it in no value,
I don't care about the equality of marriage, but I think whiny people
need
to
get
fucked
in
the
ass
with
a jackhammer,
that's why I am for homosexual marriage.
When people stop being little whiny bitches, I completely stop caring,
as there is no problem. Just like I don't care about witch-hunts,
because there's no problem with them anymore around me.
I have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia or Africa, so I don't give a fuck about
those witch-hunts, as I don't need to be involved with their idiocy.

1. In case you were ever wondering, this is why we're friends.

2. BTW, you're whining here. Should I buy NS a jackhammer?

On topic: I'm decidedly for homosexual marriage, but honestly the debate is pretty pointless. Twenty years down the road it'll be an accepted social norm. Change accumulates slowly, but it's hard to stop once it starts.

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God, I hate these people.

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As a gay person, and looking at the issue in an American perspective, gay marriage discussion had been pretty pointless. The debate (on one side) had always centered around the religious definition of marriage or changing the definition of marriage. So here is my conclusion.

1) If marriage is indeed a religious ritual, it should be protect under the freedom of religion. Hence, the government should not recognized any marriage status (straight or gay) especially regarding laws. This also allowed any religious institution to ban any gay person or any homosexual marriage. This is also under separation of church and state.

2) Instead if the concern is about equality, then union should be the standard for all.

3) As for gay Christians/Republicans who want the marriage experience. I called bullshit on that one. I condemned any lgbt members who wanted to be a part of groups that deny their equal rights. Also, they are just as hypocrite as other religious folks, interpreting the bible to their liking.

personally I think the debate is pointless because the real question is if we have equal rights or not if we do then unquestionably yes homosexuals have the right to get married if not then we have a much larger problem than gay marriage.

Agreed. I would also like to add that I believe "marriage" is "marriage", no need for "gay marriage", "lesbian marriage", or "homosexual marriage". Just like how the word "bitch" evolved into an insult, I believe that "marriage" should simply evolve into "a commitment between two individuals".

Then again I'm a huge yaoi fan so I guess my opinion is irrelevent.
Age: 17

I support gay marraige, but one question I have: when will it end?


I foresee in 20-30 years time the necrophiles and furries and zoophiles and other currently illegal "sexual deviants" will start demanding equal treatment as gays and insist that their sexualities and way of life is recognized too. And by that time, society may have moved to accept them.

Also, keep in mind that pedophilia was legal, once upon a time... In fact, some countries till permit child marraiges with parental permission. And dowries and such are permitted, so in essence parents are allowed to sell the children into marraige...

I am for homosexual marriage, or more appropriately termed, "marriage." I would like to first address the fallacies in some of the arguments presented.



The problem with the procreation argument is that there are marriages between people who are sterile and cannot reproduce. The reason why incetusous marriages are not accepted is because it would increase the possiblity of genetic disorders. Individuals who both carry recessive alleles for an inherited disease would have a greated possiblity of passing that trait on to their offspring. The most likely reason why polygamy is illegal is because it would develop into polygyny (a single men with many wives). The problems with polygyny are a large amount of unmarried, low-status men because the women will be taken by the rich which would furthermore limit the gene pool and increase the possiblity of genetic disorders. It is much harder to take care of every wife and child properly if you have many wives. It could also furthermore promote gender inequality.



The reason why homosexuals want to get married is because the law provides many rights for couples who are married. For example, eligibility for Social Security, potential for lower tax liabilities, hospital visitation and medical rights, not being required to purchase private insurance for partner and/or children, no legal costs regarding power as attorney, in health care decision-making, and over inheritance rights, etc. are all available to married couples. Even a civil union does not provide these benefits.

My main reasons:

1. The rights, benefits, and privileges listed above.
2. Expert studies have shown that social stigma and prejudice increase stress in the LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) population, leading to psychological distress, mental health problems, suicide, and lowered well-being; and a social norm will be established encouraging the cessation of discrimination against the gay community and fostering acceptance.
3. There will be an increased amount of children adopted after the removal of prejudice by adoption agencies toward unmarried couples.

Thank you.

I am an ardent biology student and debater. I wrote a debate on this once.


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Personally I can care less on people agreeing on any form of marriage. People will view it how they want to. A big part of the problem is how people have different views of the meaning of the word Marriage. Some Dictionaries say it’s (or some form of) “A legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners”. In different religions there is a narrower guide line for marriage, the most well know religion against gay marriage of course is Christianity (BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE), “The social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.” (From Dictionary.com)

No matter what the Government does with this situation there will be those who will be upset (just like politics). The Government needs to be careful care on how they handle this; because NO ONE should be persecuted for their opinion or belief on what is a marriage.

One thing that has come to my mind and IT IS PURELY JUST AN IDEA. I don’t know how well it would work; but it might give a less of chance of a legal fight between:

(Let’s just say) gay or whatever type of marriage is protected by The Right to Peruse
Happiness (or government has define marriage as such) against the Freedom of
Religion for Christians and all other religions that believe marriage is between a man
and a woman.

The idea is that the Government drops the word marriage from all legal forms (&Laws) and changes it to a Union or Legal Union (& make it to where any type of relationship can be a legally recognized relationship with the same rights under the word Union or Legal Union). Marriage then would be defined by each person and what their opinion or belief is. If two or more people meet and disagree on the definition of what a marriage is: AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON!

I'm not sure how things are in Australia, nor do I know what current stance the general populace takes on that subject (in Australia), but I can say that it's been allowed for years, to such a degree that it no longer raises many heads, where I live (Netherlands). We, as a culture, still haven't descended into depravity and to my knowledge the world hasn't ended (yet).
If not for the gay-pride parade we have every year in Amsterdam, I don't think it would come up in the news much at all (I don't know anyone here who is even remotely offended by gay marriage or homosexuality in general). Sure we still have some prehistoric (religious) conformists that are not too happy about it, but they are the exception to the rule and it's mostly silent on that front... I hope it stays that way.
In short, just allow it already, sure there might be some unrest a few years, but after that it would most likely be considered normal.

In my opinion, marriage is nothing more than a contract between two consenting adults. A sort of extended cohabitation agreement if you will, providing your partner with certain legal benefits that the cohab. agreement doesn't provide (or maybe it can these days?).

Mostly the argument for gay* marriage is that of legal benefits and cultural recognition (marriage for love is nonsense, people marry because they think that it's either expected of them or because they want to "fit in"). If your only reason for marriage is that of proving your love, than you probably shouldn't get married to that person.

* It is what it is, don't start assigning meaning to words were there is none. Gay generally means male homosexuality, whereas (les)bian means female homosexuality... But ultimately gay = homosexual (and for those less in "the know" there is no difference), if you really want to be politically correct, let's call it GLBTA shall we (gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, trans-gender and asexual... the Q for queer doesn't belong there)

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Once upon a time, women were not allowed to vote.

Once upon a time, black people were slaves and treated worst than dirt.

And that's in a relatively short time ago. Try telling a woman she's a second-class citizen. Try telling a black human being that he's a piece of shit and should be in the cotton field.

While there are some idiots on this planet who honestly believe that things were better before women could vote and before black people could be free to do as they want, the human race will eventually evolve into a society where homosexual marriage will be just an everyday thing. It's already happening and there's no stopping it. Just compare how homosexuals were viewed ~15 or so years ago to how they're viewed now.

If two people are in love and want to bond with marriage, who the hell are we to tell them what they should and shouldn't do, especially when it will not affect us one way or another?

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First, thank you yunikon for the excellent post, it was a good and informing read.

As for marriage being biblically defined as "union of man and woman", then remember that according to Bible you have to stone your wife if she cheats on you. Although what Bible calls "wife" we'd probably call a slave.

Then you have to consider people whose biological and mental gender differ, or people whose biological gender is something in between a man and woman. Are they stripped of all rights that bible attributes to men and women?

IMO the whole argument is stupid - these days everybody celebrates christmas and other occasions that were previously tied to a single religion, besides, any half-serious government is separated from the church or any other religion.



Except necrophilia, zoophilia and furry(?) are fetishes, while homosexuality is an orientation and something you are born with and by no means a deviation.
While furries are simply weird and imo should be accepted like anything else as long as it doesn't cause others harm, necrophilia and zoophilia are both highly controversial if not straight-out immoral because, well, in second case you're (obviously) doing it without consent and in first you're doing something greatly offensive to the dead and his/her family/friends/colleagues and introducing a risk of getting a disease you might inflict people with later on.

Besides, how do you even imagine marrying something that isn't even a person? If dogs or cats were sentient then sure, go on and allow marriage between them and humans, why not? But the problem is that they're not and they can't understand or consent to marriage.

I Support homosexual marriages. I doubt such marriages will have bad influences on their children. In a society where divorces are common between a man and a woman I think compared to that a long lasting homosexual marriage creates a much better environment for children. I mean if the love of the partners in a homosexual relationship could withstand discrimination and hatred from society it should create a withstanding foundation for a long lasting marriage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frederick-hertz/divorce-marriage -rates-fo_b_1085024.html
In this site it states that only 1% of same sex couples get divorced each year compared to the 2% of straight couples that get divorced each year. Don't you think that a loving and resilient relationship between spouses is much more important to a child than whether they are same sex or not?

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In the US, there is a fundamental part of our government: separation of church and state. The religious meaning of a marriage should not have any part in the legal meaning of marriage. This is why I'm in favor of same-sex marriage. Who is the government to tell them they can't because of a religion that is against homosexuals? They deserve all the benefits that a heterosexual married couple is given.

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