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i dont think it is that common for actual...normal...japanese to call each other
brother/sister and variations of that
you call them by their name

why is incest still such a problem

animals have sex within family
humans are animals
humans have sex with family

sex is something big and scary in the human world
for no good reason really
its milleniums of religious indoctrination that incest is bad that have made us belive this
it would take countless generations of inbreeding [and only inbreeding] before "defects" would be seen...and only if there is an actual problem in the line to begin with

one good thing about japanese freemarket manga industry is that there is really no stops
so instead of seeing it as something negative or even question it
you should be happy that you can even ask that question OP coz the world need to be a little more open

tl;dr
japanese are weird
they have no government supervision whatsoever in the comic medium
no one even cares
pre/teens read anything with sex as a big factor
money wins over moral
quetionable shit gets made
and in some cases...this is a good thing

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Some people have a fascination on the "uncommon" or rare scenarios and 'incest' just happens to be one of them.

~And sometimes I believe the creator(s) implies these scenarios in drawings because they too wish to express such possibilities/fantasies, but they don't...only on paper.

An the "boom" itself could have manifest from anywhere...just a simple idea of the possibility of incest.

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incest boom come from the manga incest twins, everything went to hell after the succes of that onegai manga...

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But, what I don't get is why it isn't clear to those little girls that you can't marry a family member.

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laws are an abstract concept.children can't quite grasp it since they are still learning. boundaries for behavior for example. I don't remember how it was for me but it probably just diesn't feel close enough so children would concede it much significance or power over themselves.

just ask yourself.would you tell a child: "don't do this and that because the law forbidds it" or just "this and that is bad so don't do it"


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incest boom come from the manga incest twins, everything went to hell after the succes of that onegai manga...

Haha that too.
It's Onegai Twins. Also, Kana ~Imouto~ probably had a similar effect.

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Does it really matter?

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Where I grew up outside of Japan those sorts of things would not only seem as rare as seeing a "one-eyed, one-horned, flying, purple people-eater" <--Kudos, if you recognize that song.-, but those sorts of thoughts didn't even ever pop up in our minds.

Insults and accusations against the Japanese for being "incestuous barbarians" are so old it's not funny. For example, the universally accepted masterpiece of classic work "The Tale of Genji" is often attacked by people like you to be a "Glorified Incest". One amazon.com "reviewer" wrote that this epic tale, the world's first novel to be considered a classic and one of greatest works of Japanese literature is a "overindulgent, horrific story" since s/he had never "read anything so incestuous".

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So, I've been wondering for awhile now, but where in Japanese culture and history does this boom come from? Does anyone have any insights?

"Boom"? How can you be so ignorant? Incest has been present in Japanese literature for centuries, for God's sake!. Did you even bother to research a bit before making such insulting and stupid topics like these in order to bash and attack the literature of another country?

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There have been the past few years more and more incest manga and anime, not to mention the ecchi/moe stereotype of Japanese boys getting turned on or at least going all wriggly/getting hyped by having a little girl call them "brother".

For Heaven's sake, those are otaku series! in other words, a subculture AKA only a very small group of people like that stuff! How can you generalize like that? Are you aware those anime are broadcasted at midnight? Don't tell me you thought those series were mainstream! If you wanted politically correct trash go watch american series! The reason why I watch anime is precisely because they are devoid of that Political correctness bullshit that has infected the Western world like a plague.

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And, I think you make a very good point, Blique, but I'm curious where and why does the role of "brother" have a hint of sexuality to it?

I'd say the origin isn't sexual, but a "positive" kind of feeling. For example, big brothers are portrayed with the task of protecting, caring about, and supporting the younger siblings. Younger siblings would return that with adoration, respect and reliance, and that's what people want when they want to be called "onii-san". Desire becomes fetish becomes sexual perversion.

Or so my theory goes.

I don't think gundamgundam recognizes the song. laugh

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Insults and accusations against the Japanese for being "incestuous barbarians" are so old it's not funny. For example, the universally accepted masterpiece of classic work "The Tale of Genji" is often attacked by people like you to be a "Glorified Incest".


You must be a ventriloquist because you're awfully good at putting words into other peoples mouths. The topic creator didn't even say what you said. Insulting the Japanese? Where did the topic creator insult the Japanese?

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"Boom"? How can you be so ignorant? Incest has been present in Japanese literature for centuries, for God's sake!


You must be an idiot for thinking the topic creator was insinuating that incest was a new idea in Japan. The topic creator was simply asking why it seemed to be more prevalent nowadays. Another example of you making up things.

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Did you even bother to research a bit before making such insulting and stupid topics like these in order to bash and attack the literature of another country?


Insulting and stupid topic? It's a legitimate topic asking why incest stories have become so popular in Japan at the moment. The topic creator was asking why there seemed to be more incest stories in Japan nowadays as opposed to decades ago.

Bashing and attacking the literature of another country? You've shown me a new level of delusion today. I wasn't aware somebody could be so capable of not seeing the truth. I haven't seen the topic creator bashing and attacking Japanese literature at all.

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Don't tell me you thought those series were mainstream! If you wanted politically correct trash go watch american series! The reason why I watch anime is precisely because they are devoid of that Political correctness bullshit that has infected the Western world like a plague.


First of all there are a multitude of shows that are mainstream that have little sisters liking their brothers so I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here.

As far as American television goes it shows that you don't watch American shows given the fact you are completely wrong about them being politically correct. There are a crapload of American shows that are far from politically correct. Funny you wrongfully accuse somebody of making generalizations about Japan and then you yourself make generalizations about American culture.

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So, I've been wondering for awhile now, but where in Japanese culture and history does this boom come from? Does anyone have any insights?


Okay sorry about that rant topic creator. I just despise idiots who lie and don't even have the decency to do it correctly.

In regards to your question It's more than likely just a fad at the moment. Much like different types of music or clothing styles coming into fashion at a given time. Anime and manga are no different.

Another good example are harems being quite popular in the past 10 years. As far as how they came to be popular at the moment. I have no clue what ignited the recent fascination in incest themes. Sorry I couldn't give you a real answer but hopefully you have found what you are looking for. If not I wish you luck.


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I'm just going to say that incest "boom" isn't really a "boom". It's more like in the past ppl thought it better to keep the royal blood pure by marrying siblings/within the family. Today, it's not well looked upon b/c 1. they are your family and 2. science has shown that children as a result of incest haven't been the best survivors in this world. They often come w/ genetic defects.

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Okay sorry about that rant topic creator. I just despise idiots who lie and don't even have the decency to do it correctly.


@forgottenone666 Not at all and thank you for the defense. It is probably my fault, because I didn't pause to think of how that song phrase might be misunderstood to be "condemning the weirdo" instead of "something highly unusual" if you did not grow up with it.
It is also true that I didn't research before making the topic and know very little about classic Japanese literature.
It was a question that popped up into my mind, and as I figured there were probably a few students of Japanese history and culture who made use of Manga-Updates maybe someone would have an insight.
Thanks again to everyone who answered my questions, including Gundamgundam. Now I have my first question answered and know that I would have to make an in depth study into Japanese literature both historical and contemporary as well as a study into their sociological trends through the ages before I could draw further conclusions about my second question.

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I fail to see a real incest boom. It's all false incest anyway- half-siblings who never grew up together. That, to me, is actually a believable scenario, since they haven't been raised together for most of their lives, for them to see each other as foreign enough to be desirable and yet still approachable. Fascination with the opposite sex is rampant especially in the teen years, and your half-sibling may seem like a relatively safe choice to play around with.

That being said, I am horribly disappointed with the lack of real incest manga... at least, non-yaoi incest manga. Flowers of Evil was one, and I found it excellent, but it has very few english-translated compatriots.

Oh, and as for visual novels...
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
Kana ~Imouto~, while an excellent game that made me cry, is also 'false' incest.



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i dont think it is that common for actual...normal...japanese to call each other
brother/sister and variations of that
you call them by their name


Sometimes. Sometimes you call them by their title. Sometimes you call them by a combination of the two. It depends on how strict and upper class the family is.


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I'm just going to say that incest "boom" isn't really a "boom". It's more like in the past ppl thought it better to keep the royal blood pure by marrying siblings/within the family. Today, it's not well looked upon b/c 1. they are your family and 2. science has shown that children as ...


point 1. and 2. were both the same since ancient times. every animal-breeder knew there were genetic gefects and so all the others knew too. the only ones who failed to abide this knowledge were nobles in some cases.it's not that every noble out there lusted after his/her relatives

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Incest is just one of the fetishes that are made into a "moe" type to sell to the otaku, just like every other otaku fetish out there. A lot of the titles that sound like incest are not incest (e.g. Oreimo, Listen to me girls, Nakaimo) or are fake incest (like the siblings are not actually related and such). The real incest/incest fan service ones I can think of are Yosuga no Sora and I Don't Like You at All, Big Brother!.

Incest (or "little sister" characters no matter they are related to the male or not) is not really a recent boom. It has been existing in eroge for a long time. Yosuga no Sora anime is an eroge adapted anime. And there are already a few other eroge adapted anime in the 2000s with little sisters (real or fake I don't remember).

I personally would recommend the anime of Oreimo, which explains the otaku mentality quite well - such as why they (represented by the female lead) find little sisters in eroge cute and moe and all, and why they are hyped being called "oniisan", "oniichan", "nii-nii", etc. Don't judge it by the title. But I guess some young men have this little sister moe fantasy because they are the only child in the family, which is common in Japan today, and have never really experienced with having siblings, as I heard from somewhere. And little sisters are someone you want to protect or something like that.

Have you noticed that the numbers of anime of recent seasons have become larger compared to the past? That means more anime are being made, then stuff with weird fetishes will have a higher chance of getting animated, and there will be more ecchi/harem anime that are no difference from hentai minus the sex with retarded plots and losers. I guess otaku are just getting more weird and obsessed now. They are able to make pretty much anything that shouldn't be a big deal IRL become a big deal/fetish and thus fan service. They are the major market of anime and games. BTW, there are a also lot more eroge and light novels now compared with the early 2000s.

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@forgottenone666 Not at all and thank you for the defense. It is probably my fault, because I didn't pause to think of how that song phrase might be misunderstood to be "condemning the weirdo" instead of "something highly unusual" if you did not grow up with it.
It is also true tha ...

Don't mind gundamgundam, it's apparently just his/her hobby to go around bashing people. Came to my thread throwing random insults at me as well. I quite liked your song reference. ^^

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