I was reading this post and some comments on a site and I thought: how many people think who will win? So I'm curious in your answers.

Myself, I think that the Shounen J. Alliance would win, but I don't know enough about the Marvel Avengers to back up my beliefs. If anything, the characters in the Shounen J. Alliance have all got spirit, power, and determination! Well, in any case, I find that those 3 point are more expressed in the personnalities of the Shounen J. Alliance members.

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Obviously manga fans will go for Shonen J. and comic fans will go for the Avengers.


I think Shonen J. aliance has an advantage as there are several characters within the whole history of the jump with God like power and in the Avengers the only real treat is Thor (Regardless of how strong Iron-man is in the movie he doesn't stand chance against him in truth)

anyway, that's just my opinion.

The Marvel Avengers have regular fought, and defeated, eldritch abominations, world eating Gods, divine super beings, Gods of death, etc. on an extremely regular basis.

In several continuities, characters like Mr. Fantastic and Iron Man have specifically designed technologies to fight near-divine beings. (Iron Man even has a Galactus-Buster Armor, for crying out loud)

Even just consider the Hulk, who is basically at the levels of nigh-immortality in several storylines. He's been reduced to a rotting corpse, and regenerated from that. He's basically strong enough to match anything, as long as he's pissed off enough (yes, that includes guys like Goku).

And that's not even getting into the characters that actually have near-divine powers, like the Silver Surfer and Phoenix.

I guarantee you, anything ludicrous that Shounen heroes have done, Comic book heroes have matched.

EDIT: That's not to say that The Avengers would win. It would just be a non-stop brawl-fest with the weaker links losing early, and then the broken characters just trashing each other until they call it a draw.

I think Goku is the biggest stumbling block if you concede that everyone can see and thus fight Ichigo. Besides Goku and Ichigo I think the Avengers have the better chance. Luffy is rubber which given the fact that Ironman uses those boosters to fly and attack makes Luffy completely useless and a pile of melted rubber. For all that I like Natsu and his magic Hulk, Ironman, and Thor don't seem all that flammable.

Goku is Goku and probably one the strongest fiction characters East or West. His speed alone puts him above pretty much everyone. The only one that might stand a chance would be Phoenix.

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I think Goku would actually be one of the easiest to deal with. His powers are purely physical, meaning every single telepath in the Marvel universe (and there are tons) could basically disable him right from the get-go.

Actually...now that I think about it, very few Shounen heroes even have mental defences.

Agreed.

Though Ichigo, even if he can be seen, is on a level just below Goku. They're both broken characters. The only reason I'd say Ichigo isn't an issue, is because he has a tendency to lose all of his powers. Everyone else is fairly balanced and would probably lose to the various Avengers.

Goku has shown that death is meaningless to him. He can blow up planets by sneezing and instantly teleport large distances. The only character remotely close to him in power would be the Hulk, and that's -theoretical power-, since the Hulk's power is only limited by his anger (which is limitless.) However, Goku would just have to sneeze on the Hulk before he could power up enough (and even if he was powered up enough, he'd never catch Goku.) Or he could transport the Hulk into outer space.

The only comic book hero that really stands a chance against Goku is Superman. But even then... Goku is arguably more powerful than Superman in his -strongest- incarnations. And he has no particular weakness (except maybe mind control, as the previous poster indicated.)

first the question has to be answered who are in the alliances? how many members are we talking about and who are they because the way it is now you can pull say that "Oh marvel will win because they will just use death" or "Naa shounen will win because they will use the dragon balls to make everyone immortal".

I'm a DC girl, but the alliance thing would probably win just because their power level is over 9000. When a world is going to be destroyed in comics its usually an epic arc thing. For manga it happens every day.

Erm, you do know that Avengers belong to Marvel right? As in, the other great famous comics publisher, as in a competitor to DC? So if you're a DC girl , isn't it kind of natural that you will be on the Shounen side?

As for the main topic, I'm sorry but there should have been a "I don't care" option in the poll, since I really don't care. I am by no mean, someone who likes the Avengers. I hope I'm not starting a heated discussion about Marvel and DC, so if I offend someone, let your anger dies down a bit before replying. I like the X-men and all, but the Avengers team is rather dull, from the members to the villains and the plot.
Well anyway, I would be on Shounen J. Alliance if a fight ever happened.


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Goku is not all physical. He has his spirit attacks as well. I always got the impression that the movements were not as important as the concentration to use most of them.

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You are all forgetting the most important factor when dealing with comic character battles:


Is PIS (plot induced stupidity) on or off?

Also is bloodlust on or off? (are they going for the kill or just brawling?)

Is collateral damage on or off?


Good call regarding the telepaths though. Yeah, I think that all they really gotta do is mind control Goku and have him beat up the shounen Js...

Regarding Thor vs Goku in a straight up fight, please remember that Goku's energy blasts are on the level which destroy planets, and he blasted Brolli from Earth into the Sun once at SSJ1 or SSJ2, SSJ3 or 4 would be even more powerful, I do NOT think that Hulk or Thor can survive that sort of energy blast, heck even Galactus would probably get 1-shotted by Goku's SSJ4 Kamehameha.

Though admittedly, same applies to all the other shounen J characters, if Phoenix or Emma or whoever mindcontrol him and force him to teleport-Blast into the sun combo all of Jump, it's a cheap win for Marvel...

depends on who is on what team

traditionally Phenix is not part of the avengers nor the whore emma
Scarlet Witch on the other hand is...and she is probably the most powerful marvel character...when the plots needs it

she could just remake the world as she see fit
we have a couple of Jump character that can do the same

so it would be whoever activates their power first

then we have superspeed...
Quicksilver could probably kill everyone of the Jump heroes before they have time to blink...but superspeed is hard to write[apparently] these days

but since goku = superman
crashlanding on earth,shuttle,extremepower its all there
and its not the shitty superman either
its golden age,earth2 real superman
who could juggle planets we are talking about
and even his kryptonite[loss of tail] is only a minor setback for goku
he would probably win...even if all marvel and all of the other jump chars team up against him

Yeah, Goku is ridiculously overpowered, pretty much like superman. One of the reasons I didn't like Dragon Ball.

People that are chosing the Avengers probably can't remember how in secret wars the Beyonder played around with almost all the cast of the avengers....


now, why do i say that? because Goku is not the biggest threat, as i said in the history of shonen jump there were several characters with Beyonder like reality control powers, for example in Bastard!, we have Dark Schneider who at the end have the power of the king of all demons or in Honshi Engi we have a lot of god like characters. (especially in the end) and by number alone we have a lot of Capitan America like warriors and above, like in Hokuto no Ken or Saint Seiya.

And for those who think that goku can't win against hulk, then how about teloporting him to an almost (since he needs a presence) desert planet? hulk can't travel across the space.

And as i said, goku is not the biggest threat, but he alone has enough Technic to, even he were weaker and i don't believe so, defeat most of the avengers.



nedless to said if when you said Shonen J. Aliance you mean all the characters then i'm gonna stand Firm on this:

If all the villans of Shonen Jump were to add to the equation then there is no chance the Avengers will win... they may have Thor but we (by Saint Seiya alone) have Ares, Poseidon, Zeus, Ades, ect...

Last edited by BlackOrion at 1:29 pm, Jul 29 2012

Death Note, period.


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