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Kaitentsuki
Post #566415 - Reply to (#566414) by SwR
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@SwR no matter what you say you are as bad as the scanlators themselves by actively reading their work, your just a hypocrite in the end, you may talk fancy about how scanlators are losers but you dont do anything about it, you only complain, so get off your high horse and stay on topic, and some publisher are already posting some chapters for free online for advertising and blaming scanlators for the reason why some manga arent getting translated is just outright silly.

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@SwR no matter what you say you are as bad as the scanlators themselves by actively reading their work, your just a hypocrite in the end, you may talk fancy about how scanlators are losers but you dont do anything about it, you only complain, so get off your high horse and stay on topic, and some pu ...


Who said I actively read their work... confused And I'm doing something I'm trying to put some sense into your head. A single person can't do much alone you know. And the ideas I just suggested are something we actively do in France, Belgium, Switzerland and Germany... And here the number of titles who are licensed by year is at least ten times higher than in the US...

Every month we have around 150 new publications only in France and without counting the e-books.

In the US most of the official publishers went bankrupt in the last few years... whose fault do you think this is ?

And don't go saying that I'm in hypocrite, because I'm actually trying to change the way people see things and I'm sure I have brought more manga than you will ever buy in your entire life (still a student and by far not rich)... People like you are the hypocrites who go saying that they are fans of manga but when the time comes to buy a book, they prefer to donate money to some crappy scanlation team who will do a crappy translation than actually buying the official release of the manga. Scanlators and peoples like you are despicable.

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Last edited by SwR at 5:38 pm, Aug 17

Kaitentsuki
Post #566420 - Reply to (#566418) by SwR
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Blaming it all on the scanlators is not right, from what i can tell is that comic books are more popular there, dont really know since i dont live there and manga is not really sold much where i am, just the most popular title, there are both pros and cons to scanlators and blaming them for all those problems is not really right, they are a part of it i admit but not all of it is on them, and i would bet that you have actively read a scanlators work actively at some point, maybe not now but at some point.

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Quote from SwR
Most of the people will not buy a manga who is available for free only, so why will publishers bother publishing it if they will lose money.


Because there are still a good amount of people like me who are crazy enough to spend a portion of every paycheck on comics and/or are the type to buy what they see and like. smile

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In the US most of the official publishers went bankrupt in the last few years... whose fault do you think this is ?


It's not really fair to blame just the scanlators. Manga aggregrators who reap in big profits and draw waaaaay too much attention to the scanlation scene are partially (if not fully) to blame as well. And really, how do we know it wasn't also mismanagement within the company itself? There are enough idiots in upper-management in the company I work for to make me believe that this could be true.

Also, I wish the US was more like Japan or France, where comics and bande desinee are almost ingrained into the culture, but we're not like that. Yes, there's been some headway (they're starting to publish some Josei/Seinen), but if you were to - say - poll entire cities right here and right now, you will be surprised at how many people either donít read manga or think of comics/manga as "for kids". Itís just sad. sad

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I'm a scanlator myself. Now that I've seen your list, I'm 100% sure I've bought more manga (in Japanese), anime dvds, and etc. I should probably open up a library.


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SwR you have no idea what you are talking about, especially in this topic.
Mangapirate Egscans and The company are scanlating webtoons.
You can find them right here http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/weekday.nhn for free.
If naver would add english translations I would read there. (I already read raws there)
They don't, Then they shouldn't be surprised that someone else fills the gap.



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Post #566428 - Reply to (#566424) by Myuym
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Quote from Myuym
SwR you have no idea what you are talking about, especially in this topic.
Mangapirate Egscans and The company are scanlating webtoons.
You can find them right here http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/weekday.nhn for free.
If naver would add english translations I would read there. (I already read raw ...


Topic is : Quality vs. Speed

You can't discuss about speed and quality of manga without speaking about publishers.
Publishers = Quality (not all of them but most of them)
Scanlators = Speed (quality is secondary for them... it's impossible to qualify the work of scanlators as a work of quality)

PS : Egscans do also mangas and manhwa

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I'm sure I have brought more manga than you will ever by in your entire life


That sentence was specifically addressed to "Kaitentsuki" and only him... smile ... but ok ^^

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I'm a scanlator myself. Now that I've seen your list, I'm 100% sure I've bought more manga (in Japanese), anime dvds, and etc. I should probably open up a library.


You maybe and that's great my fellow manga addicted, but how much of your leechers, that you have poorly accustomed by providing them with scanlations for free, do actually buy the books ?
The answer will approach 0%, am i not right ?



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hatsumimi99
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Quote from SwR
You maybe and that's great my fellow manga addicted, but how much of your leechers, that you have poorly accustomed by providing them with scanlations for free, do actually buy the books ?
The answer will approach 0%, am i not right ?


A good portion of our readers and staff do buy books once they become available in their country. The manga we choose to do (mostly Josei) are rarely ever published outside of Japan, but when they do, I'm positive most will buy it if it's within their funds, as was what happened when the US was smart enough to pick up Suppli. It's just sad that most people are either confined to only buying something they really, really love, or nothing at all because of how bad the economy is. sad

That aside, let's stop sabotaging the thread. It was originally about speed vs quality scanlations. I'm sure there are other threads where you can discuss how jaded scanlators are, but this isn't the place for it.


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By the way Youni or rozzly or whatever your name is ~ Please stop hosting OUR releases in your site.
If you work on a project you do all the chapters and not just the one ahead when someone is faster than you. Thank you in advance!

Oh and congratulations on your new site which was a result of a collaboration between "manga curse" and "mangareader" . You guys seem to be a good match together ~ even doing The breaker and naruto and bleach... whoaaa I wonder why you closed down manga curse and named it manga burn?

Oh I hope this collaboration was not a secret which I just revealed right? Oh gawd I hope not ~

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Things are getting out of hand here.
Please, stay on topic.

Any personal comments like the one above me are to be conducted in private.


My view on the subject -
I'll take quality over speed any day.
Especially if it's a quality work.
I don't deem those popular shounen title as such.

As for groups "stealing" titles other groups are working on, well, I just see it as immoral.
We're all in this pretty illegal business which is just fans working with and for other fans.
Can't we all, you know, get along?
Or at least, be civil?
If the group's stopped releasing a certain project and you want to start working on it, why not contact the group and talk about it?
Sure, nobody owns anybody anything and it's not our stuff to begin with, but people put their time and effort into those releases without any gain or profit.
This, if not anything, should at least be respected


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I generally will read the scan that comes out first, though I do appreciate higher quality.
As long as the scans are readable (grammar) and I can tell what's going on, it's fine.
What I prefer is knowing that scanlations are coming out at a steady pace (faster groups tend to be more reliable)
on the other hand, um quite fond of egs for more than the series that mangapirate publishes

I just think it's rather wasteful when two+groups compete when scanlatig the same manga (like what happened with sun-Ken rock)

anyways, conflicts within the manga community (scanlators/aggregators/leechers/legit-manga-buyers/publisher s) tend to be ugly. Very ugly.

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Post #566729 - Reply to (#566434) by Claudia
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Claudia, why don't you stop stealing the authors' work and hosting it on your site? Thanks.

Also, we don't even know what this mangacurse thing is. And stop thinking we're a front for mangareader.net or whatever. First of all, we;ve never heard of this mangacurse, and mangaburn is the subsidiary of Mangainn you fat cow, they didn't even start from this 'mangacurse,' their previous group was called A3S scans....

If you have so much spare time to make crappy rant pages about Sakicow, come up with fairytail conspiracy theories, or name yourself QC and 'Raw provider' while doing absolutely nothing, then maybe you should worry about yourself first before you generously grace us with your concerns.

Oh, I hope you doing nothing while naming urself QC and raw provider was not a secret which I just revealed right? Oh gawd I hope not~

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youni89 and Claudia, take it off the MU forums

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Post #566744 - Reply to (#566729) by youni89
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...If you have so much spare time to sit on your FAT ass and make shitty rant pages about Sakicow, come up with retarded conspiracy theories, or name yourself QC and 'Raw provider' while doing absolutely nothing, maybe you should go work at McDonalds and be an actual contributing member or society...
Youni, I understand your anger - but you shouldn't take aggressive action towards Claudia. Even talking with someone as ignorant as her is an insult to you. Continue your efforts as a scanlator.

Claudia, I can't really tell what has gotten into you. It seems you have forgotten who you are. I have considered Claudia as one of the iconic leaders of scanlations. It's not hard to figure out why. EGscans is a group that consisted of over hundreds of members. So to be a founding leader of such an overwhelming group should be quite an accomplishment. So for Claudia to belittle herself to this magnitude is not very befitting. She should know that what she says and does affects the reputation of her entire group. Why not ask one of your "minions" to speak or defend for you? Why post illogical responses that bears no weight? And as an admin of a forum yourself, could it hurt for you to even stay in topic after you are done ranting?

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Seriously, I am sure that if Claudia never allowed her anger known to Youni in the first place, things would have been a little different between the two scanlation groups. Why not create another thread for your hatred towards each other or something? If you both still have unfinished business, then contact each other privately like true leaders should. And don't broadcast your infamous conversations for all to see.

So can we please just stay in topic now? When a question like Speed versus Quality is being asked, I like to respond to the two most recommended words, "it depends." If there was only 2 groups releasing one chapter of the same series every week, I wouldn't mind reading both the fast or slower release. To me, it broadens my understanding of what is being said in each chapter. But if there are over 3 groups releasing the same chapter, I would usually read what's first, then wait for my favorite Good-Quality scanlation group to release their version of the chapter.

I remember when Sleepy Scans & Franky House used to be around. They usually had low-quality releases for the big 3 series, and were always the first ones up OnlineReaders. Then, after that, I'd wait for the Japflap, Ju-Ni, Maximum7 or even Binktopia. But keep in mind that once I had read at least one high quality version of a release from one these groups I've mentioned, that was enough for me and I never bothered to read the others versions.

So pretty much, I read speed scans as spoilers, and then I read the first high quality release that shows up and that it. First come first serve. Japflap was the exception though. Their Naruto releases were legendary. And the Ju-Ni Bleach releases, were unique - the sheer amount of high quality dots you see on each page makes you wonder why other scanlation groups never release in their own style format. Whatever used to release amazing SUPER HIGH quality releases, but these days, I wonder why a faster group like Utopia Scanlations (mangatopia) are outclassing them on Gantz. I wonder why?

Anyways, the case with quality releases are usually how well scanned a raw page is.
MangaStream probably has a very dependable RAW provider that they don't have to waste time making the page look quality release. And poor-translation issue can always be fixed with a good proofreader. Which usually takes too long for a speed-scangroups to even waste their time towards.

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I'm sorry if the msg I posted was inappropriate but the title of this topic has (mangapirate case) on the title and I was talking about mangapirate case.

Whether or not what I said was valid, with a little search most ppl will be able to find the connection.
But you are right StaticHD I will not be responding to petty comments.

It is good to know that some people have started trying to improve their quality after this post though.

And good to know that most people prefer quality over speed smile

Edit: I would also suggest perhaps close this thread? Cause if there is a group name on the title people might get carried away and talk about that "group". And perhaps open a new one that would say Quality vs Speed (without the group name on the title which in many cases might be considered advertising)
Just my 2 cents ^_^

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I agree with Claudia, that this thread has gone on long enough. The intention was fine, but making it specifically about MangaPirate was a bit out of line. Any mods out there, please close this thread. smile Thank you.

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