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Post #565696 - Reply to (#565645) by Claudia
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7:46 pm, Aug 12 2012
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Guys ~ I think we are giving [MP] too much attention.
They have delete their previous site and comment to hide their shame already.
(manga curse and sakicow did something similar in the past I wonder if there is a connection?)

There are ppl who like reading shitty releases as long as they are fast ...


Exactly my thoughts.......
@strixflash - By the way what do you really like - Quality Or Speed ?
Seeing your first comment, it looks like you like EG scans and even in the middle of comments , you favoured EG Scans. And seeing by your forum activity in EG Scans and Batoto, you like Noblesse right ?Then why support MP who stole other group's project which was actively done by them in high quality in short amount of time ? You yourself said that in your first post that you support EG Scans aa they bring quality scans in short amount of time? Then why sudden transformation? Why are you becoming their puppet ?

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Post #565707 - Reply to (#565696) by tragicking
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Exactly my thoughts.......
@strixflash - By the way what do you really like - Quality Or Speed ?
Seeing your first comment, it looks like you like EG scans and even in the middle of comments , you favoured EG Scans. And seeing by your forum activity in EG Scans and Batoto, you like Noblesse righ ...

How are they related? I favour both of them. I am not such a nice guy or fully patient man who wont read their favourite series if its available pretty soon even if its in lq. It doesnt means I wont read from my original group.
I am still active in EG Scans forums and I will always be.....When they release the series I read/download from their site regardless if I have read it or not peviousley on another group site.
I know the difference and hence I wait for them..
I know that it was worth the wait.



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I love quality. I would love speed to but if it takes weeks in order for me to read a really nicely scanned and edited chapter then I am willing to wait. Plus I have a hundred other mangas I could be reading and catching up on biggrin

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Depends. If a scan looks like shit but is legible in english, then fine. That is, I'd prefer something with a superior translation than a shiny scan. If it's a series with little to no coverage I wouldn't care how it came to me, I'd take it. If it was something that is popular however, I'll wait for the best one that comes out the soonest. Fuck speed.

I realize the cotradiction of my last sentence in comparison to everything I said before that. No need to point it out.

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look, if it's a series i follow, i'll read the first scan that comes out regardless of quality. after i read it, or even while i read it, i judge the quality. if it's good, ie the translations make sense and the picture is clear, then that's that and i move on. if not, then, if there is another group that scans the same series, i wait and reread it when the better scan comes out. this doesn't make me any less a fan than someone who waits just for the hq scans.

now that i've chosen, let me say this: it's not fair to say that someone stole another group's project. there are only so many raws available to each group. they are allowed to do only those that they want/like/choose, and if it doesn't get them viewers, then what's the point? their job is to provide us readers with translations to manga that we would either have to wait years for and recieve a watered-down version, or never see. i've been part of a few scanlation groups before. i'll admit that when someone else released a version of a chapter i was working on, i was irked-especially if it was a bad copy. however, it made me want to worked harder to prove that i was superior. it's no use attacking one group or another. calling them names or trying to get them shut down is lame and un-sportsman-like, it will turn just as many people away from you as you'll gain. gold-digger groups will always come along. all you can do is ignore them and do your best, proving yourself to be of a higher quality and level, both in scans and personality.

i've said my piece. now let's see how many blast and condem me as agree. biggrin

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Well, after reading eight pages of arguing, I can see why people dislike and like MangaPirate. I understand why webcomic addicts read off of MangaPirate's quick but mediocre translations. I also understand why many readers are outraged at MangaPirate because of their motives.

I, for one, am a fan of both EG and TC and currently use no other reader other than Batoto, and I can wait for TC and EG because I know that they will release their own HQ release. If it is not on Batoto, I just download the chapters off of the scanlator's site.

There has already been many threads on Quality vs. Speed, and I do not see why there is a specific 'MangaPirate Case'. It seems like this is just a huge thread for readers to show their anger and hatred to MangaPirate.

I choose QUALITY & SPEED over quality or speed.

Post #565974 - Reply to (#565741) by Spearsmen620
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I also like quality and speed. That's why I created Easy Going Scans.

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I of course like it when a chapter is released in good quality, but I'm not going to wait around if a low quality alternative has been released beforehand (nor am I going to re-read it in high quality later on... unless the quality is so bad that I don't understand a thing).

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hmmm.....well I think in mangapirate's case and as with most other SSS (speed shitty scanlators) they just do it for the money. They got some grand illusion that the big money will come to them, fame and the greedy readers.

In most cases they are right. I won't blame those readers, they are allowed to do whatever they want.

Again, coming back to the mangapirate's case...well everyone who goes there can see why they took titles other groups are doing. No, it's not because they are "slow". That is just an excuse. It's to get readers, simple as that. Let's snatch the userbase with speed.

I prefer quality and when I can't wait...I just go and read the raws wink

PS: I did try to go with speed once...or twice, I regret it each time, sigh. roll eyes

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I won't blame those readers, they are allowed to do whatever they want.


Mangapirate also allowed to do whatever they want.You guys need to get of your high horse.


Post #566148 - Reply to (#566133) by kamochi
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Mangapirate also allowed to do whatever they want.You guys need to get of your high horse.

But that's what he basically said...

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Post #566183 - Reply to (#565974) by Claudia
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I also like quality and speed. That's why I created Easy Going Scans.

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Thanks for that smile

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Post #566188 - Reply to (#566133) by kamochi
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Yeah, MangaPirate is terrible at scanlating. I don't even care for HQ scans, as my eyes are fine and I don't need to see every detail. Their works are just riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. They just need some decent proofreaders instead of the 10-year-olds they apparently have. If they had that, they'd be a decent contender.

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I won't blame those readers, they are allowed to do whatever they want.
Mangapirate also allowed to do whatever they want.You guys need to get of your high horse.

Sure they are. They just suck at what they do. They're simply a great and current example of how much speed-based groups lack in several departments. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're breaking rules by doing series other groups are covering, but it's common courtesy to first offer to do a joint production of the work instead of just jumping in. Also, when two groups are competing and one skips chapters to stay ahead, it's just shows how far they'll cut corners to be first (see TAL, chapters 59-62 for a recent example). It's quite childish if you think about it. And petty. And pathetic. laugh
The outcome is almost always lousy and many things are overlooked. Now, back onto my horse! Oh, since that was your first post and you used it to stick up for MangaPirate, I'm going to guess you're involved in their work. At least it seems that way since your post, as small as it was, is filled with errors, as is MangaPirate's "finished" (and I'm using that term very, very loosely) chapters. roll eyes

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I prefer quality. Speed is nice and all, but I took a look at MangaPirate's work and it barely makes any sense.

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Post #566240 - Reply to (#566133) by kamochi
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Quote from kamochi
Mangapirate also allowed to do whatever they want.You guys need to get of your high horse.



What does my horse has to do with this? eek I don't even have a horse! cry

I am the only guy who wrote that post, there weren't more of me doing it.

Also what did you miss in your first sentence? "is" or "isn't"

One last thing, do you promote making money of scanlations or do you think that those are the mangaka's money and should only go to them? eyes


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But that's what he basically said...


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