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Ashen-Shugar
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My vote goes to Obito, or at least someone with some connection to Obito beyond simply stealing his eye. It's right there in the name...

neonkitty
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Lol all the talk about the ramen guy has me thinking now but I doubt it's him

Skinny Kazoo
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My vote for the ramen guy, though it is weird how Tobi is Obito backwards (without the o of course)

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Original Uchiha Brothers and Obito...Tobi. It's a mixed thing. Tobi was and always was a guise I think. At first Madara was heading stuff then his brother came along to. Then finally Obito came along with an extremely rare and powerful ocular technique. Time travel. They got him involved mostly on Madara's part I'm sure but Tobi is three people. But I know we'll be surprised next chapter. this can't be it. I think there's something completely different and big going on.

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LOL. After dragging out the secret of Tobi's identity for so long, Kishimoto will never be able to live it down among the fans if it turns out lame...

Hopefully it will all make sense what his connection is to Obito, and why Itachi wouldn't let him show Sasuke his face. (In a mystery novel, that would be proof Sasuke knows who he is. Which means Naruto might as well?) I'm sure we're going to get flashbacks about Tobi's past once we find out his identity. I only ask they be kept as short as possible.

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My vote for the ramen guy, though it is weird how Tobi is Obito backwards (without the o of course)


Tobi is not Obito backward. Even without the O it is Tibo. Though a anagram is possible, though a very poor one.

It would be rather funny to see the justification of the Ramen Guy.

Obito seems like the safest bet right now, but I kind of hope it is a new character connected to Obito, Rin and Kakashi. It would have helped if it is somebody close to Kakashi like Obito or an unknown stranger if some foreshadowing in Kakashi's story had been done.

Hell if we are just guessing it could be Kakashi's father, after all death does not seem to be as final as it should be in Naruto.

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On another thread (not on this site) someone (Kram Canoza) posted these reasons for why it can't be Tobi (but he also said he didn't come up with them):

"Plothole Number 1: Tobiís Power Level (chapters 500-504).
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? Thatís just not feasible.

Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19).
"Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who donít care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obitoís body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isnít really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7).
"Do you have ANY idea how long Iíve waited for this moment?" Itís a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldnít have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8).
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesnít convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madaraís generation.

Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9).
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

Plothole Number 6: Minato wouldíve figured it out (chapter 500-504).
If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minatoís own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didnít.

Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2).
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14).
Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9).
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge.
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.

Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato."

Personally I don't find the age thing to be that big a deal since this guy has a space-time manipulation technique--maybe he just got trapped in it for a while or threw himself into the past or the future.

I also don't think the 'fighting the 4th on equal footing' thing is that big a deal because... I'm pretty sure we've been reading a manga called Naruto where a bunch of kids get to kage level by the time their in their early teens >__>U Haku was awesome when he was like ten, then there's garaa who was kage level by the time he was like 14, not to mention all those crazy sound nin from way back who were also like 11 or 12. (Can you imagine the powerhouses they would have become if they had lived?)

Back when I started reading Naruto before Shippuden I liked it because it was about friendships, family dynamics, and student-teacher connections but now it's just power up after power up which Naruto all over the map winning at everying. I miss the interpersonal stories behind it all. I don't really care that much who tobi is (thought it would be cool if it was Madara's brother) I'm more interested in what Sasuke decides after having talked with his brother and what it will be like when he and Naruto meet again. And I want to find out more about how sakura feels and her training--she's had like no development since way back despite the 5th being such a badass, i would have hoped she could measure up to her teacher the way naruto and sasuke have.

It would be cooler if it was Madara's brother

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it'll probably turn out to be something like the rikudo senin disciple or something. Reason: He was the first branch that started uchiha hatred.

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Coming back to my mechanics point, it could be that there are different branches of Uchiha. Madara's sharingan is different from his brother's. Therefore, Obito would be from the brother's line and Sasuke/Itachi are from Madara's line. That would account for the differences in their mangekyou techniques... and it could explain it if it turns out to be Madara's brother as Tobi.

Also, responding to the the long plotholes post. The power level thing is very important, especially given the short amount of time between Kakashi Gaiden and Naruto's birth. Obito was the "Naruto" of Minato's squad, so for him to grow to be awesome would take a fantastic teacher and more that a couple of years. Even after three years with Jiraya, Naruto was still pretty bad. It took creating his Rasen-Shuriken and learning the frog katas for him to actually be a decent fighter. Obito gaining that much skill (enough to make his own teacher mistake him for Madara...) in that little time (especially since his previous master was Minato) doesn't seem plausible.

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Quote from switchgear
Tobi is not Obito backward. Even without the O it is Tibo. Though a anagram is possible, though a very poor one.

It would be rather funny to see the justification of the Ramen Guy.

Obito seems like the safest bet right now, but I kind of hope it is a new character connected to Obito, Rin and Kak ...


what about Obito's big brother we dont know about till now... looking at how many believe it was kakashi's fault for obito's death ( and comming back with sharingan didnt made it any better).

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what about Obito's big brother we dont know about till now... looking at how many believe it was kakashi's fault for obito's death ( and comming back with sharingan didnt made it any better).


That's a good point. Or his father, which might get rid of some of those pesky timeline problems.

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Okay guys, I'm pretty sure its not obito, Tobi said in the last chapter that he "obtain the eye" during the 2nd war (even though I still don't know how he got the eye if it was completely crushed but I'm guessing the author has something up his sleeve). I have 2 theories, I think Tobi may be cells gathered from the original Madara who was created to pursue Mardara goals since he know he was going to die. The reason I said this was because in the chapter where the 4th fought tobi, his arm became goo and fell off, that is a characteristic of something that was made.
My second theory is that maybe "someone" found obito's body during the war (dead of course) fixed it up and using it because it had an sharigan and maybe because that person is using Obito's body they have all of his past information on what happened to him and that's why he probably know what happened with Rin and Kakashi. I don't know, all I know is I can't wait for the next chapter!

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My vote goes for madara's brother...

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i say Naruto looks boss as hell this Chapter i can see a Hokage look coming out of him this time around. I think Kishi might make Naruto Hokage after the whole Obito deal and i think Sasuke VS Naruto wont happen until after the war.

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It is possible that Tobi could be some sort of "Frankenstien's Monster" with a part of Obito being used. It's not impossible for soul transfers to be done in the series, so the real identity of Tobi could be someone else entirely. Which also reminds me, didn't Kisame reveal that Tobi was a former Mizukage too?

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