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Arigatomina
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Post #576921 - Reply to ( #576902) by flowinmyboat |
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12:29 am, Nov 14 2012
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Quote from flowinmyboat The only way I can see a solution to the problem is for all scan groups to get online readers, because a lot of people don't want to download, which is the only option most scanlators give.
Using readonline options in addition to downloads won't stop other online-reader sites from adding the project to their own collection. I've been offering readonline versions of my scanlations since late 2005. Few people bothered to right-click and save-as every single page, so they weren't shared much. The moment I started offering download links, those projects were everywhere. I think it's the download links that make it easy for others to nab the entire project and reupload it to their own sites. If scanlators started offering nothing *but* online versions, then they'd see a reduction in the amount of reposting. But they would have to do it in a way that both satisfies the netgeneration's need for built-in "readers" and the oldschool people's need for fast-loading time. The benefit of downloading is that you don't have to wait between pages because you already have the entire project on your computer. Using readers is like trying to watch a youtube vid with a bad connection - you have to wait every few seconds for the next tiny bit to load. Scanlators would also have to find an affordable host for all those pics since a lot of scanlators rely entirely on free file hosts to share the download links. If they're not even offering direct downloads, then the odds of them being able to afford readonline options is nill. We don't like ads or donations, right? So they'd have to pay for it themselves out of the goodness of their hearts. Few scanlators have that kind of money, especially for popular/long series that are going to require a lot of space and bandwidth. That may change as webhosting gets cheaper, since scanlators have proven they're more than willing to invest time and money into sharing their work with others, but right now it's not really feasible for any but the ad-heavy sites and those with a loyal fanbase willing to donate to help support them.
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ante900310
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Post #576926 |
Meatbag
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1:26 am, Nov 14 2012
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I have to say I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject but I do know that people frown upon mangafox and similar sites!
My primary source for manga is batoto solely for it's loading times!
And if I can't find it there i'll go to one of the other sites!
Why? Cause I'm a human being I'm not perfect, I have needs!
Still I use ad-block there so say goodbye to you revenues!
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Lightning Hiro
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Post #576934 |
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2:38 am, Nov 14 2012
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What I hate about all manga reader sites are their stupid labels. Mangahere.com's label takes up the top right corner, so bubbles can't be read, a big example is One Piece (which is why I read that on exclusively on mangastream.com). I try my absolute best to read the mangas from the scanlation groups' online readers, because they don't block the pages with their annoying labels. I know mangafox has one too, but i think it's a little trans...invisible (can't think right now!) but it's still helluva-nnoying. Which haha, I never used fox anymore thanks to mangahere..
I'm a hypocrite, because I know I saw one of the mangas I read had the scanlation group SPECIFICALLY say wait 12 hours before uploading to mangasharer sites. But it only takes an hour for someone to do it, and yet I still read it becuz I can't wait...
I joined a group specifically because they had a 3 day policy before they let uploading occur, I had to download it, and I thanked them in all. I think the group was REALLY successful in keeping that policy because it was endless of wait if you weren't a member and you'll get penalized if you didn't follow the rules.
I used to be one of the people who download chapters, sometimes volumes of manga because I wasn't really aware of manga sharer sites, or at least I was only aware of really crappy ones like mangavolume and mangahut. Or groups.msn.com haha.
I also knew some scanlation groups who also put their label on the manga, like a watermark, I'm mostly fine with that because like you said, intellectual property. But if it's distracting me from the manga...not ok.
There was an hour on my phone where mangahere tried to get me to make a stupid account for them. There was absolute no way I was ever going to do that because it's a mangasharing site, I don't see any reason why people have to make accounts unless they are uploading them.
this might be insulting but I actually hated several scanlation groups because of the joke pages. its fine to have em and all, but when one puts the joke page right before the original page, that gets crazy confusing or freaking before the chapter happens, thats a spoiler. scanlation groups may have the power to do that, but that's also insulting to the mangakas as well
========> Although they got me, play a practical joke and fool me (mean if it was for that intent)
And some joke pages are really insulting, because about half of them would be dirty (and that's definitely insulting to the characters and the mangaka) MAJOR EXAMPLE IS AIR GEAR
Recruiting pages are fine because most times they use pages from other mangas I wouldn't even know. Or the page came from something really old.
What I like (well I love a lot of things and appreciate them) is when they take the time to have explanation notes, shows they really do care about us ignorant children. I'm so educated now.
But yeah, manga share sites don't do squat, there's no weeding out, no FIXING. D N Angel's chapters were messed up and thankfully the scanlation group told us beforehand. I downloaded it and rearranged it myself, however, mangasharers just leave it as is and continue to confuse the lot.
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strixflash
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Post #576940 |
Noblesse Forever!
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3:06 am, Nov 14 2012
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First of all, mizunosaki, you did an awesome job with your presentation.
Secondly, even people who knows the reality of reading sites still continues to use them even though those works are available for reading/downloading on Scanlator's site.
Heck, many doesnt even know what are "Scanlators". They believe mangafox or any other aggregiate site themselves produce them and then shares with everyone.
So if you want to do change anything, above mentioned two things are of utmost necessity.
Personally I use Batoto (except Noblesse-->EGS site) as it has large collection and in good quality too. For works not available there, I either use scanlator's site (there are some who doesnt allow even Batoto) or Mangatraders.
Yes,the big exception would be big three....MangaPanda/reader release them first so I read it on their site. Also MangaStream is earning a huge revenue by hosting them, so it really doesnt matter where I read them. While mangastream pretends to be author supportive by only hosting latest chapters, in reality it isnt.
During this times I use ad-blocker so that they dont get any profit(not like one reader is gonna make a big difference).
There is an another reason why those sites are popular. And that is their much active Forums.
While I rarely use mangafox for reading, I use their Forums for one of my favourite series.
(Batoto is only active for ToG section, other series are as good as dead.)
MU is a good medium for discussion.
I'm sure that this thread of yours will change the mindset of few if not many. Good job.
Last edited by strixflash at 3:32 am, Nov 14
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renseih
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Post #576948 - Reply to ( #576736) by Arigatomina |
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5:23 am, Nov 14 2012
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Quote from Arigatomina Two points: Scans are not free. Unless the scanner stole that book from the store shelf, he or she had to buy it in order to scan it. I can't speak for other scanlators, but I pay a lot of money for the books I scanlate, and I often ruin those books in order to scan them. When you do good scans ...
It seems I did not phrase it clear enough. I meant, scanlators don't sell their translations. If they do, I'm sure there'd be even more serious problems with legal rights. If that's so, it's not as if they loose money by having them put on manga reader sites. I personally think it's a great way for advertising the group. But like I said, it depends on the person. If they don't like the fact that they spend money and have someone else profit from them indirectly, well, it's understandable too.
But really, all I'm saying is, it's not that big of a deal. Those who respect common sense will not post scans everywhere when told not to. Those who are bored to hell and don't care, and not as lazy as me will still do what they do. As for the average ppl, they use google and go to the site easiest to find, and for me ones that work with autopager, which often happens to be manga reader sites that so many scanlators hate.
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