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animephreak
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3:17 pm, Mar 6 2013
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Totally called it. Isshin Shiba, former captain of the 10th division.

The mention him being the head of the family, but the branch family. That doesn't make much sense. I would think if he was head of the family he would be from the main family, and not a branch.

Wyllia
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They probably meant the head of the branch family, that is at least what would make sense in this case. To further this it was also said that if he continued to act like that it would impact the main family as well.

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But its really odd why Matsumoto or Hitsugaya never realised that Ichigo was the son of their former captain or never spoke about their former captain...ever
And shouldn't soul society have extensive information on Ichigo's background? They are bound to have pictures of all his family members...yet nobody recognized Isshin

Kinda tough to suddenly fit an altogether new character history...eh Kubo?

Also just realized MATSUMOTO AND HITSUGAYA HAVE BEEN TO ICHIGO'S HOUSE!!!
HOW DO YOU GO TO A GUY'S HOUSE AND NOT BUMP INTO HIS FAMILYconfused

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movingstone
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I read it last night very very briefly, and forgot a lot of detail, because the timeline didn't make sense to me. Especially since Rukia didn't recognize Isshin eventhough she was in the academy along with the trio before Hitsugaya and that Hitsugaya conveniently didn't see Isshin during his stay in the human world. Plus previously the fall of Kiba clan was tie with the death of Kaien who was there during the vizard time and just die rather recently.

It was said that the 10th division was empty of leadership back 110 years ago and remain empty until Hitsugaya took over. 

But what bother me the most is how this basically cheapen everything during the most crisis of crisis of early Bleach. We can only assume Isshin lost his power but Urahara should have had made a contact with him before that. Which meant there is always a captain in Ichigo's town so there was never really a real danger.

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So Aizen knew Isshin which consistent that Aizen has a plan for Ichigo.

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Post #589773 - Reply to (#589771) by movingstone
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Quote from movingstone
I read it last night very very briefly, and forgot a lot of detail, because the timeline didn't make sense to me. Especially since Rukia didn't recognize Isshin eventhough she was in the academy along with the trio before Hitsugaya and that Hitsugaya conveniently didn't see Isshin during his stay i ...


I swear to god that Kubo makes up all of this shit three days before his deadline just because he doesn't want to read his own manga to figure out what kind of story would be *consistent* with what he's already written....

animephreak
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Was the fall of the Shiba clan tied to Kaien? They never explicitly mention that in a way that I remember, just that it was a fallen family. Why would a member of the house being killed in duty cause the fall of a house?

Now, if a member of the house who was a Captain were to go off to become a human and live with a quincy, now that sounds like it would worth of a house falling.

I will agree though that the timeline is rather sketchy, but it always has been. So is the fact that Yamamoto looked old as dirt, while other shinigami don't seem to age at all. There's also the very convenient time difference between the real world, soul society, hueco mundo, etc.

I have kinda thought it was weird that no one recognizes him. It appears he was captain after the Visored incident, but it would have only been 20 or so years ago that he left. Well, 20 years in the human world. Who knows how long that is in soul society.

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I swear to god that Kubo makes up all of this shit three days before his deadline just because he doesn't want to read his own manga to figure out what kind of story would be *consistent* with what he's already written....


or, they just want to make it last longer and longer, like a typical shonen jump series. It's a race to see whether Naruto or Bleach can last longer.

One thing I had thought about, maybe they modified the memories of everyone? Maybe as punishment he was "erased" somehow.

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6:00 pm, Mar 6 2013
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Ok, I did not see that one coming. So Ichigo is part of a noble family? Explains why he was able to achieve bankai at such a young age(according to byakuya at least.) As for why Toshiro and Matsumoto didn't recognize Isshin even though they have been to his house is probably because their memory was wiped of him. Maybe Kubo will go to more details on that.

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Quote from yuriym21
Ok, I did not see that one coming. So Ichigo is part of a noble family? Explains why he was able to achieve bankai at such a young age(according to byakuya at least.) As for why Toshiro and Matsumoto didn't recognize Isshin even though they have been to his house is probably because their memory ...


ehhh, I don't know why a lot of readers (not only you yuriym21) are so so so fixated with Toshiro and Matsumoto. Any people especially including Rukia should know a Gotei 13 captain especially if it was within her active period as a shinigami and or a academy student.

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You know he has aged and changed his name so maybe they just don't recognize him or maybe they did recognize him but he asked them to keep it on the dl from everyone.

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One thing I had thought about, maybe they modified the memories of everyone? Maybe as punishment he was "erased" somehow.


I thought that too. Maybe his crimes were so grievous that they erased him from everyone's memory. Also Aizen seems to be the cause of all these troubles. How slow can the soul society be if they can't realize that he's the bad guy til he comes out and says it?

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Does this mean that ichigo doesn't have a asauchi of his own then what was zangetsu? we also find that zaraki stole a asauchi from a corpse of a shinigami he killed who probably hadn't imprinted his signature on it yet.

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Does this mean that ichigo doesn't have a asauchi of his own then what was zangetsu? we also find that zaraki stole a asauchi from a corpse of a shinigami he killed who probably hadn't imprinted his signature on it yet.


It might be like tosen. His zanpaktou belonged to his dead friend before he took it so it has been proven they can switch owners. I think rukia's just transferred when she gave ichigo his powers and when she got back they gave her another.

animephreak
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I thought that too. Maybe his crimes were so grievous that they erased him from everyone's memory. Also Aizen seems to be the cause of all these troubles. How slow can the soul society be if they can't realize that he's the bad guy til he comes out and says it?


Two words: Absolute Hypnosis. Aizen was extremely powerful, extremely skilled, and also had an incredible ability gained from his zanpakuto. Even Yamamoto had to physically make contact with him to really feel it. It truly is a nearly invincible, almost "cheat-mode" ability. The only way to really be able to fight him and win would be to be blind like Tousen, and of course have the strength to do so.

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Does this mean that ichigo doesn't have a asauchi of his own then what was zangetsu? we also find that zaraki stole a asauchi from a corpse of a shinigami he killed who probably hadn't imprinted his signature on it yet.
It would seem there is a lot about Asauchi and Zanpakuto's that hasn't been revealed yet. They all appear to have a personality, almost like a soul. Oetsu's entire palace was full of them. And I guess the Asauchi's shown there were ones that had not yet been turned into a blade, or maybe even confined into one.

It also isn't really clear as to what happens when someone else's zanpakuto is taken. If you remember, I think Tousen took the zanpakuto of his friend who was killed by her Shinigami husband. Zaraki kenpachi it would be assumed took one that had never had one that was imprinted, but maybe it's possible that a stronger shinigami can imprint over one.

As for Ichigo, my guess would be that somehow the side of him that is a quincy allowed him to manifest his shinigami powers into a zanpakuto without an Asauchi. This basically would mean that Oetsu wasn't really refusing to reforge it. It may be possible that he actually isn't able to do so. It isn't a blade that he made.


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Quote from animephreak
Totally called it. Isshin Shiba, former captain of the 10th division.

The mention him being the head of the family, but the branch family. That doesn't make much sense. I would think if he was head of the family he would be from the main family, and not a branch.


Called it too. I was not expecting it to be so recent though that the current captain was his third seat. Really by elimination he could only be the 6th or 10th.

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Quote from animephreak
Two words: Absolute Hypnosis. ...


That's exactly what I thought as well.

Do yo remember when Aizen told Ichigo that he knew Ichigo since his birth? During this whole talk about Ichigo being half human/Shinigami/Quincy/SuperSaiyanDevilFruitUserwhatsoever ?
I have that strange feeling, Aizen is the reason that no one seems to recognize Isshin. He was probably the one that "wiped" all their memories.

Personally, I don't really get this whole "Kubo suddenly pulled this out of his arse"-rant. Most of it was foreshadowed ages ago, back in the Rescue-Rukia-Arc and during the fight in Karakura Town. As for me, I didn't get the hints back then, however, it somehow does make sense now.
Have some faith, guys wink
Just hope that Kubo doesn't f*ck this up...


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Hello, I'm kinda lost here. didn't Ichigo had an apointment with real ruler? how come it was ignored?

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