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Sura's Place/JanimeS Closing

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MasamiAkane
Post #599385
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7:15 pm, May 16 2013
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Aww. It's a shame, but I can symphatize. Thank you for sharing your scanlations and not asking for anything in return.

Some of you just don't understand, and there is nothing hypocritical about her request. Not once do I recall her asking for donations and having ads on her site. She bought everything with her own money and funded her own site out of pocket. They were not free raws she found on the internet. I don't remember her having any ridiculous membership requirements or hoops to jump either. She shared them to us for free. The intention/purpose is completely different.

It's hard to fathom for readers why scanlators are angry at popular manga reader sites when it's not affecting (you) the readers directly. But I hope it's not that impossible for some of you to just think and put yourself in the position of scanlators like JanimeS. A little understanding should be exercised.

Good luck and enjoy the extra time you'll have on your hands! biggrin

LT
Post #599389 - Reply to (#599385) by MasamiAkane
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7:29 pm, May 16 2013
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Quote from MasamiAkane
Aww. It's a shame, but I can symphatize. Thank you for sharing your scanlations and not asking for anything in return.

Some of you just don't understand, and there is nothing hypocritical about her request. Not once do I recall her asking for donations and having ads on her site. She bought everything with her own money and funded her own site out of pocket. They were not free raws she found on the internet. I don't remember her having any ridiculous membership requirements or hoops to jump either. She shared them to us for free. The intention/purpose is completely different.

It's hard to fathom for readers why scanlators are angry at popular manga reader sites when it's not affecting (you) the readers directly. But I hope it's not that impossible for some of you to just think and put yourself in the position of scanlators like JanimeS. A little understanding should be exercised.

Good luck and enjoy the extra time you'll have on your hands! biggrin


She is being hypocritical. How you and other people don't see that is mind boggling.

Hinokai
Post #599397 - Reply to (#599385) by MasamiAkane
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You misunderstand the point of my posts.
I have no issue with Sura's Place or how it was operated, on the contrary, I find the amount of releases to be incredibly impressive and the loss of such a group to be damaging. What I take issue with is not the group itself, but the reason for closing - the blaming of online readers and download aggregators for 'hosting against the scanlators wishes'.
The best way for me to explain my problem is thus - I've cleaned around 200 chapters and typeset about 70 in my short career in scanlation, which isn't particularly many, but regardless, for none of those have I asked any of the mangaka for permission. I doubt Sura or almost any other scanlator would have gotten permission from the mangaka of their project either.
So, if a scanlator doesn't get permission from the creator of the manga they wish to scanlate, why should they expect others to get their permission for their scanlations?
That is hypocrisy, and that is my issue.

gundamgundam
Post #599410 - Reply to (#599389) by LT
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She is being hypocritical. How you and other people don't see that is mind boggling.

I have always admired scanlators. They spend their free time working for others for FREE, and the only thing they get in return are insults and accusations of being thieves, copyright criminals and hypocrites by people like you. But don't worry LT, that "hypocritical" scanlator won't bother you anymore. Happy?

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Daichii
Post #599413 - Reply to (#599412) by Unknown
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9:52 pm, May 16 2013
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I'm sad that the group is closing. However, this is the internet age. Whatever you put on the internet will likely be somewhere else. There are protections, but even they are not 100% safe. Also there are always some beeps who don't follow the rules, but hey what can you do about it?


well.. she's closing right? no

Rinola
Post #599414 - Reply to (#599397) by Hinokai
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9:54 pm, May 16 2013
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But surely you've made the problem far more 2D than it is. From what I understand the issue isn't simply that mangafox is hosting their projects. It's that they MAKE REVENUE (and not a small amount either) from hosting the work of scanlation groups that weren't profiting (and in many cases are making a loss).

Granted scanlation is a grey zone, but surely it's going to adding salt to the wound to a mangaka if you're making hundreds and thousands from their manga compared to if you were only trying to spread manga to people who can't speak the language and at least buy the manga to do so?

I would have thought people like Sura especially, who had a policy of deleting scanlated chapters after a period of time and made the effort to buy the manhwa would find it frustrating that their attempts to bring more attention to a mangaka (without being hugely detrimental to sales) were being used by some unrelated group to make big profits. Where's the hippocrisy in that? If mangafox didn't have ads or were open about how much they earn from ads compared to hosting costs, people wouldn't complain so much.

It'll be sad to see such a meticulous worker go though. sad

TKS
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10:02 pm, May 16 2013
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I am so sad to see her closing, but she won't be the last to do so. Good luck, Sura!

yuri999
Post #599416 - Reply to (#599364) by lambchopsil
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10:05 pm, May 16 2013
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You missed one. Lampchopsil , I am disappoint cry

Oehr
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10:21 pm, May 16 2013
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Well, I appreciate what she has done, scanlating all those chapters, though reading them, especially older cheapters, were a rather larger hindrance. No proper reader, just some standard image preview solution with no central link collection per series or bots for xdcc. There was often no other way aside from reading them on some third party reader. Batoto doesn't have them, so where else to go aside those evil ones?

That being said, in case you are going to continue or start again, please use a proper reader on your site. there are plenty available, such as foolreader and many more.

thanks and good night!

psycho-shocker
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11:07 pm, May 16 2013
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So, it's all mangafox fault right? Can anyone hack their site and force it to close as if it never exist?

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Post #599425 - Reply to (#599410) by gundamgundam
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She is being hypocritical. How you and other people don't see that is mind boggling.

I have always admired scanlators. They spend their free time working for others for FREE, and the only thing they get in return are insults and accusations of being thieves, copyright criminals and hypocrites by people like you. But don't worry LT, that "hypocritical" scanlator won't bother you anymore. Happy?


laugh One less whiny scantard so yeah I'm happy.

LT
Post #599426 - Reply to (#599412) by Unknown
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12:27 am, May 17 2013
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Quote from holy`bell
I'm sad that the group is closing. However, this is the internet age. Whatever you put on the internet will likely be somewhere else. There are protections, but even they are not 100% safe. Also there are always some beeps who don't follow the rules, but hey what can you do about it?


laugh Oh the irony.

Rinola
Post #599427 - Reply to (#599419) by psycho-shocker
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12:36 am, May 17 2013
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Oh you make it sound so easy~
Take down mangafox and new aggregators will replace it. The root of the problem lies in the readers.. What will make the difference is reducing the traffic to their sites so they make less profit and this means having manga readers willingly make the change from a convenient site with a memorable URL and lots of manga there already. Sadly many users are ignorant and close minded and they have new users all the time. The scale of the problem is a lot deeper than you'd think.

Daichii
Post #599429 - Reply to (#599427) by Rinola
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1:16 am, May 17 2013
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but getting it down could help tho... im no cracker anyway.. so.. someone else? anyone?

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