If anyone able to hack it and give proper explanation to what they do in their very own site, I think many people will leave it.
Or if no one want to hack, just do like A Team with their scans, haha.

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The reason Sura never used the readers you mentioned is because she did not want her scanlations to be so easily saved and uploaded onto some site like Mangafox. As Rinola said, Sura has a policy of deleting scans after a certain period of time elapses, this is also done for the same reason.

On another note, it is saddening that Sura will be leaving. She has contributed so much in the last few years and will be missed, but I do wish her the best.

Well, in my mind it is that 2D. Scanlation groups are not entitled to whine about Mangafox taking their work and proftting off it because they don't own or have any right whatsoever to that work.

And no, scanlation is not a grey area. It's illegal. You can't go rip a DVD and upload the movie without sound or slap your own dub on there and call it fine. If you asked a mangaka what he thought of scanlation, he'd probably tell you that he hates it as it's illegal distribution of his work.
It seems to get in people's heads that they're somehow scanlating to help the manga, yet at the same time they condemn Mangafox and co. for hosting all that manga. But how does Mangafox get the manga? From scanlators. There's only two real differences between online readers and scanlations, the intent, and the fact one profits more than the other.

As for deleting chapters after a period of time, a member of a group I'm in asked me a similar question in relation to licensed series'. Deleting is a gesture, a nice one I guess, but still just a gesture. It's already on the internet and removing it from your site does not undo the fact you released it and doesn't make one any better than a group who proudly displays their downloads on their main page.

Should that mean we all stop scanlation so that the evil online readers can't keep running? Well, ideally not. It's just better if people are able to realize that their hobby is illegal and not some righteous charity work, and that everyone should just focus on doing it because they like manga.

WAT? No way! I read a lot of their stuff... and just went I waited every day for a new release.... I hope it won't close but if it does, someone pick Yeonmo up please as their project. I love a lot of their scanlation but this is my favorite

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Well, there was some stuff of theirs I have been interested in reading, but I never did because they only allowed you to join the group/site to read releases. Which is fine and all, but something I don't care to do. So I'm not too familiar with them.

Wow you've got a point there

Siesta!!!

Go A-Team on their ass and just say FUCK ONLINE READERS or have one picture of Hentai in the scanlation as one group(sadly not sure which group it was) did for early releases just to go against the ORs.

Hahaha, well that's well reasoned but I still disagree.

It's a sweeping generalisation to say all mangakas are angered since there are cases where permission has been sought (1/2 Prince novel translations for example), and equally manga which groups have dropped after a mangaka mailed the group to ask them to desist, I recall seeing one recently but at present I can't remember it but an example of an aggregator site would be onemanga. The impression I get is reflected here (shamelessly nicking off wikipedia lol); that at the end of the day a lot of the manga are hindered by their being in japanese and hence the audience being limited to Japan. Would you disagree that many people after reading a manga they enjoyed, are more likely to to buy it, especially if the scans/future chapters are not there compared to taking a leap of faith (I for one would never have gotten into manga had it not been for scanlations)? There are examples of manga which have become licensed following how well it was received after all.

The real issue, as I emphasised before is that the aggregators are making massive profit (without spending in the manga's works) and keeping it to themselves; they're tipping the balance since the users would then opt to read the new chapters for free over buying the work once it's out. Scanlators may not have rights over the work but for example, asking for a licensed work to be removed after the group itself has dropped it and deleted the scans surely in the best interests of the mangaka? You're right, there are the two differences you stated before, but with sites like Batoto, people complain less about it because they will (or at least should do) avoid licensed manga/take them down after licensing. The definite point at which you've trod into illegal territory is when you mess with licensed manga.

Naturally I'm not trying to paint a pink rosy world either; there are mangaka who are angry but I'm pretty sure you'll find the majority of them are more annoyed because aggregators/scanlators are scanning licensed series which would be giving mangaka profit rather than at the scanlation group. Many groups (one hopes yours included) are making little to negative profit both in money and time in buying and taking the time to translate for free; at least the mangaka has more to gain in that scenario. What exactly is the hobby in scanlating?
You want to practice japanese? Pick something less controversial to translate.
You want to read manga? Then read it, why translate it, not like the world having an english copy makes a difference to you? In fact leaving it in japanese would probably incite more leechers to learn japanese if they truly cared.
Want to procrastinate? Dude, there are methods that take less time than cleaning, scanning, translating, typsetting, proofreading, QCing and are less expensive than buying the manga to rip it apart or hosting a site.
It's most certainly not righteous but it's not wrong and bad and should be killed with fire either and I don't see how a scanlation group is being selfish in scanlating a manga (especially unlicensed?) provided they stick to unlicensed ones.

As for deleting chapters, it may just be a gesture but once again it depends on the situation. Back when mangafox and other aggregators had a massive scare and deleted a lot of the licensed manga, it's had the effect of some (true, only to a small number of) manga which were previously scanlated by groups that are now closed being lost, with new translations having to be made of the manga. As for not being any better, I bring up the point of unlicensed vs licensed manga; I agree, licensed mangas being deleted (particularly popular ones) make no difference because everyone will have a copy but many unlicensed mangas were slowly gaining popularity; without sites like mangafox holding a backup copy I don't see why it would thrive? Imagine if groups actually had control over whether their scans stay on or not; then deletion would have a bigger effect and equally the need to sign up or join would probably be less emphasised.

Thus it's still not a 2D problem. It's a sweeping generalisation to say all scanlations are evil and mangakas hate them (would you complain if your work got licensed for distribution in other countries?). I think a real distinction sits between licensed and unlicensed work and scanlation (as reflected by the earlier groups) was beneficial for the manga community. It's simply that recently it's spiralled out of control; a situation exacerbated by aggregators sites, such as mangafox who are profiting and also ignoring anything said at them. You're right in that people do have to face some facts; you could be doing something illegal, aggregators sites like mangafox don't care, and even if you killed them off more would reappear. But scanlators do have a right to whine depending on the circumstance (yes, whining because they uploaded your work and you wanted to keep it on your site is fishy but whining because someone is disrespecting licensing laws/making lots of money off something that is quite altruistic) is hardly wrong. If you don't like it, give up scanlating :/.

Applying this to sura, whilst as far as I'm aware her works aren't largely licensed, I'd suspect she wouldn't want sites like mangafox to get to her translations because once it has, she's lost control over it once it does become licensed.

Fuck you mangafox/mangahere. Because of greedy sites like these, a pillar from the building of scanlation is breaking down. We have to do something ,otherwise the whole house will collapse inventualy.

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Consider it like this: unless it was scanlated, MangaFox wouldn't post it, right? So it's not the creator they are attempted to defraud and steal from, it's the scanlator's work.

There are NO scanlators (that I'm aware of at least) who feel particularly GOOD about using a mangka's work. That's why they tend to encourage people to purchase the manga when it's licensed and drop it when it's licensed. So when MangaFox and other fxxxking manga aggregator sites like it profit off their work using ads, it's REALLY annoying. Not only that, but many of those site watermark a group's work with their own marks, as if they were responsible for it.

If you spent THAT much time working on a good translation, typesetting, cleaning, QCing, only to have some site just snag it and tag it, you'd be pissed too. ESPECIALLY when it's a solo effort and an act of love, more than just a hobby.

Also, it's a scanlator's hope (most, at least) that a manga will be licensed through exposure. That's the goal: exposure, not profit. That's the difference.

It's not an issue of the online readers; it's an issue of PROFIT. Or did you not actually read what was going on with Sura?

A scanlator's "purpose," as you put it, is not to gain money for their efforts. It is generally to introduce new manga into the community and generally HOPE it is picked up by a legitimate publishing house. It's not hypocritical for the most part (although there are one of two groups who have ignored the C&Ds). Most groups drop projects as soon as they're licensed because that's what they are aiming for. Some. Not all groups.

If you don't understand that, if you don't like it, STOP READING THEIR WORK. Damn, talk about hypocritical. If you can't get Sura's feelings, then don't read. Easy peasy.

Wow. You're an ass. Go fall in a gutter and die.

I'm always amazed at these discussions because they seem to take place in some ideal world that doesn't exist.

In the real world there's a big Internet demand for manga translated into English. Scanlator and aggregator sites are together meeting that demand. Each kind of site is doing what it's good at -- translating, etc., versus collecting. Would you want all those manga that are so conveniently lined up on MangaFox to have to be searched out, laboriously, one by one, at the sites which translated them? I doubt it. Therefore MangaFox is doing a service for the English manga-reading community just like the scanlators are, and it does seem reasonable that MFox be able to make some money off doing that.

As for the scanlators ripping off the mangaka, well what percentage of the thousands of manga we can read in English on MangaFox now would ever reach us if they had to go though conventional licensing? Very few, I think. Given the differences between Japanese and American tastes and culture, there just wouldn't be enough demand in the USA for any but the blockbuster manga to be conventionally published here.

Oh yes, and if you insist on loving Botato and hating MangaFox, then look forward to living in a Disney-like manga world in a decade or so. Botato employs pretty strict censorship to keep the advertising arm of Google happy. For example, Botato kicked "Nana to Koaru" off its site. Mangfox, by contrast, seems to do very little censoring.