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4:49 am, May 17 2013
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whats with all the hate on online readers by scanlators?
from the 9000+credit pages i have looked at and sometimes smiled from if they were made good the problem does not seem to be that they dont include credit pages

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So called manga aggregator sites earn money with copyrighted material. Scanlators don't want to be the ones punished by it. The end.

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Most online readers are run by big companies who use the hard work of scanlators to make money. They get paid per hit on the site by advertising companies, so don't respect the wishes of scanlators who would rather not have their scans on big online readers. They also give nothing to the scanlators, so in essence, someone is getting rich by stealing from both the mangaka and the scanlation team. Some online readers, like those on the scanlator's site or Batoto are ok as they respect the wishes of scanlators and publishers, but the big ones like mangafox are simply greedy corporate companies only looking to make money.

Scanlators tend to want people to buy the manga to support to mangaka, so usually want their scans to only be shared in a small circle, or to be removed once the licensed version comes out, or have similar requests. Many online readers don't listen to these requests, and sometimes the scanlator is the one who gets into trouble if a publisher takes action against online scans.

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Post #599516 - Reply to (#599479) by GuttedGnome
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So called manga aggregator sites earn money with copyrighted material. Scanlators don't want to be the ones punished by it. The end.


Then they should stop scanlating, problem solved.

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I think people seriously overestimate the revenue Online Reading sites can get. It takes a lot of Ads and a lot of traffic for the dollars to even outweigh servers, bandwidth and maintenance.

Post #599525 - Reply to (#599521) by wolfinthesheep
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And yet they are paying off people to translate popular manga, low quality but fast, if there was not enough profit from it I highly doubt anyone would pay someone to do something that would not give them profit.

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remember how many people read online though, so if you think about it they can easily make a big profit by that and it would be an easy thing to do for mangafox or other sites like it.

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Post #599528 - Reply to (#599527) by killjoy890
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remember how many people read online though, so if you think about it they can easily make a big profit by that and it would be an easy thing to do for mangafox or other sites like it.

It scales with Bandwidth and Server cost, though, especially since images take up more traffic than, say, news feeds.

I'm not saying it's not profitable, but it's certainly not something that gets people rich.

Post #599535 - Reply to (#599528) by wolfinthesheep
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These are the days where web-packages come with unlimited space and bandwidth. One ad each on a few hundred pages with a low visiting count would be enough to cover that. It's the server that will cost them and with all of the manga chapters that are 30 pages each, and ads that pay per view, they're making more than enough to cover cost. You don't have to be a big business to run your own site and pay for it just with a small collection of visitors and pay-per-view ads. It's getting cheaper every year. Anyone can make lots of money off scanlations very quickly because even solo projects have an average of 30 pages and each page will be viewed by each visitor. When you have popular series you're not talking about a few dollars a day, you're talking hundreds if not thousands. Which is why scanlators who don't use ads are so foolish (in the eyes of the ones profiting from it) and respectful (in the eyes of those who don't believe you should be profiting from it).

If you ever wonder how much money an ad-ridden site is making, just count the number of chapters, multiply that by 30, then take the lowest pay-per-load ad offer and multiply it by the visitor count (if the site is willing to admit that). With pop-ups you can even extend that to include pay-per-click which pays a lot more than the views. All a site has to do is host One Piece or Naruto and they'll be rich. Add more multi-chaptered series and you're rolling in money. Which is why they're not going anywhere. Even if they don't have their servers in a country that ignores international laws (which most do), they can afford to ignore threats because even if they're sued and have to pay a fine and remove a series, they have plenty more where that came from.

Remember. These aren't fans who want to share things at no cost to anyone but themselves just to see fellow fans happy. They're in it for the money. They wouldn't still be doing it, and doing more every day, if it weren't very profitable. I'm only surprised more people aren't doing it. This is the best time to make a buck off scanlations. Since publishers can't touch the big sites located in other countries, they have to shut down the scanlators in order to cut off their supply. They'll manage that eventually. In the meantime, greedy people might as well get in on it while it lasts. This is a gold rush we're living through here. It won't last long, but it'll make some lucky people very rich.

Post #599538 - Reply to (#599521) by wolfinthesheep
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I think people seriously overestimate the revenue Online Reading sites can get. It takes a lot of Ads and a lot of traffic for the dollars to even outweigh servers, bandwidth and maintenance.

Seems to me like someone hasn't seen just how much Mangafox makes... roll

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4:03 pm, May 17 2013
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Why do I have a feeling this thread will be closed?

Anyway, I'm torn on this issue. I can't prevent the aggregators from posting my group's stuff unless I stop scanlating. I know that. So there will always be times where I want to call it quits, and eventually one day, when all the readers start saying crap to me like, "Oh, well what you're doing is wrong anyway, so boo-hoo & screw you," then I'll just stop translating, pack up, and start getting sleep like a normal human being.

I know that I have the power to do that, so the whole aggregator thing doesn't bother me. As long as I'm not being a greedy bastard like them, then that's all I care about.

Also some of my own staff (love you guys) are/were people who read us on mangafox before. I don't even mind occasionally discussing my own group's releases with people there.

Yeah, so I'm really not a hardliner on this issue. I'll just fence-sit for now.

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Post #599545 - Reply to (#599535) by Arigatomina
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These are the days where web-packages come with unlimited space and bandwidth. One ad each on a few hundred pages with a low visiting count would be enough to cover that. It's the server that will cost them and with all of the manga chapters that are 30 pages each, and ads that pay per view, they' ...

Pay-Per-Load Ads pay fractions of a cent per view, and most online advertising companies don't use such metrics because they're so easy to fake and often meaningless in terms of ad-to-buyer conversion.

The vast majority of online advertisers nowadays will do Cost-Per-Impressions or Cost-Per-Click. Clickthroughs are much better ways of measuring your advertising success, but they are usually a fraction of the actual people that view an ad. Cost-Per-Impressions completely ignores page view counts, and usually counts the number of unique viewers of an ad, usually through IP addresses, within a certain time-frame (usually a couple weeks to a month)...and most of the time that's per thousand viewers, and not each.

Mangafox may get a hundred million page views every month, but it's probably only get a couple million unique visitors every month...if even that.

It's still a sizable chunk of cash, and they're obviously still making money, but once you factor in all the monthly costs and the number of people running the site (which is definitely not two guys in a garage), you'll probably have a solid but small business.

Post #599548 - Reply to (#599516) by LT
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Then they should stop scanlating, problem solved.

Is this some kind of juvenile cynicism? This is a community that's being ruined by a few greedy pigs. You're saying if you don't like the few greedy pigs, get out of the community and let everyone else down. Really smart.

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Post #599550 - Reply to (#599548) by cmertb
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Then they should stop scanlating, problem solved.

Is this some kind of juvenile cynicism? This is a community that's being ruined by a few greedy pigs. You're saying if you don't like the few greedy pigs, get out of the community and let everyone else down. Really smart.


Scan groups trying to "control" their releases is a exercise in futility. The ones who are worth a shit understand this.

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7:30 pm, May 17 2013
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I'm going to risk sounding stupid here and ask a question. If I have ad-blocker plus for firefox, does mangafox still get paid? I mean, if the ads aren't loading, they're not getting paid. And if they're not getting paid, does that mean it's okay to use online readers? confused

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