There is no need to wait to load pages with the AutoPager (firefox plugin). Advertisements can be removed with AdBlock+ (firefox plugin). And I'm not sure what you mean about banners but if they are embedded on the page you can filter the image files to not be displayed with this plugin. There is also chrome equivalents to this as well.

I agree that the low quality and lack of respect to scanlators can be seen as problems to readers who use the site and haven't figured out that there are better alternatives out there.

-Bookmark manager with sorting capabilities
-Fast update time for manga (only second to scanlators)
-Quick access to any chapter or page of any manga/manhwa without having to go to the plethora of scanlators out there (may redirect to mediafire for a zip).

Well, I use mangafox to browse the forums, sometimes post etc. Most of my reading is done on batoto. They totally support the scanlators and those scanlators who have a no re-hosting policy, they totally respect their wishes. In fact many scanlators themselves post their scanlated chapters out there. Sometimes i cant find some very old manga or earlier chapters of some manga on batoto or any scanlator's website.. In that case i search on bittorrent search engines, and if not found there, i visit mangafox to read them, if they have it...

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I disagree. I was surprised when my reading and wish lists both became insanely bloated after I stopped reading online and started using MU. And yes, this assessment does not include hentai.

And besides, you're also technically downloading if you read online. It's been said countless times before: reading online is no different from downloading direct, reading the manga, and deleting it afterwards.

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It boils down to preferences. I have certain preferences that I believe are not satisfied by online readers. If your preferences are satisfied by online readers, then good for you; just don't make sweeping generalizations like this one:



I do. That you don't like doing it doesn't mean no one else does, too.



The guy wants a cat video archive so he can watch cats doing cute things without having to go online all the time. And instead of constantly downloading to his cache he can allocate his bandwidth to download other stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

Except you don't have to download it, open every single image by hand and then delete it if you didn't like it. The downloading on online readers is done automatically, the pages switch with a simple click and it gets deleted automatically. You just read the manga and don't have to worry about anything else.

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you're in the minority. most people are lazy. most people dont care about the difference between 800x1200 vs 1100x1600. most people would rather just go to a reader site and just read it- not having to come here find the group, go to their site, look up the series, then down load every. single. chapter. one. at. a. time. and read it on the computer.

except that the computer does it for you- and doesnt force you to do all the tedious intermediate steps by hand. you just 'hey this looks good' and click through the pages, rather than searching, downloading, and deleting for absolutely no reason-- taking up more time than you spent actually reading!



and theres nothing wrong with that. its totally understandable- wanting to save and keep series you like on your physical computer so that you can read them anytime; online or not, its like that always on drm bullshit- why should you have to be always on to read what you want. that option should always be available. what if the internets out and you have nothing to do or read? what if your on a road trip and have nothing on your laptop to keep you busy? what if your modem breaks and its gonna be a day or two before you can go get a new one? its perfecly reasonable and i support it 100%-- if you really like a series go support the scanlators and download it. throw something in their 'tip jar'
its just that most (proven fact not just my opinion) people prefer using online readers- not everybody is so hardcore into a series that they will go through the trouble of looking up and saving every chapter of a series to read a bunch of times; everybody has their way of doing things- but its rediculous to force EVERYBODY to do things the hard way. especially when the majority prefer the lazy easy way. and are indifferent to all the politics and regulations and roundabout vendettas between online readers and scanlators.
i've gone through a TON of different series. if i saved every series ive read it take up litterally all my hard drive space. however, most series are one-offs. most of them i will never read or think about again (with the exception of the few that i really really like- and even those ive only read maybe 5 times tops)


online readers just make things easier. thats a fact. yes, some people like to do things your way. and yes, some sites like mangafox are douches and are in it for the wrong reasons- but that doesnt mean we should do away with online reading and make the readers suffer- just use good alterntives like batoto, who are actual fans and respect the scanlators opinions

just to fix a little misunderstanding:
Batoto doesn't pay nor host ads for the scanlation teams. It was done but failed miserably when adsense banned the site. The other ads companies just doesn't pay enough to allow that system

why do we say that Batoto is a "scanlator friendly site" then?
- the host without compression nor resizing
- they allow the scanlators to edit their release
- they respect the scanlators wishes (delay, don't host, etc...)
- it preload a page

of course, all this can't be found on any other manga aggregator

also, it was many time talked about and there is a very complete thread about it on batoto ( http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/5527-mangafox-co-how-noez -does-business/?pid=155671#entry155671 )

also, for those who says that online aggregators doesn't make THAT much. Even if it might be overestimated, you have to remember that NOEZ is an actual company that own SEVERAL such site and fake marchandise dite. They are in china so of course don't care about any copyright law which would obviously not reach them. those who would take the fall are scanlators

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Every time this kind of discussion comes up I rarely see anyone who says 1, aggregator sites don't really steal from scanlators, they steal from the original creators, and 2, scanlators are actually helping aggregator sites like Mangafox steal from the original creators.

And if the point of scanlating manga is to get more people exposed to the little-known manga, 3, aggregator sites are actually the best venue for that. Sadly the scanlators' wishes often do not align with the wishes of readers.

The wishes of some scanlators:
Delay/don't host: this can be for legal as well as traffic-related reasons, but both, while understandable, are equally irrational. Companies will likely not sue scanlators who are mostly teenagers or college-age, because these people have no money, even less so if they are spending a lot of time providing a free service.

I think scanlators as does anyone want feedback or appreciation of their hard work. Yet many people who consume scanlation do not already care about the original creators, much less the scanlators. Furthermore saying that ~aggregator sites stealing from creators and scanlators is not okay~ while saying ~people pirating manga on the scanlators' terms is okay~ doesn't endear those scanlators to anyone.

On the other hand a big reason, and I think the most important one, is when a manga is licensed and scanlators ask those sites to remove that manga. This is on par with Mangafox's distributing unlicensed merchandise level of corporate evil, I think.

Another actually: I agree with randomreader. Media being just one click away is a barrier to entry for many, many people. I would need to check for new chapters through mangaupdates, go to the scanlator page, go to their webpage, and then look for the release and download it. Not every scanlator page has an rss feed, and then not many people have an rss reader or an account on mangaupdates. People want a direct, central repository. Reading apps on tablets take that to a whole new level. The cowboy days of difficulty of access making a property more desirable have gone away. I know people who won't watch anime if it's not on Netflix. They can't even bother to go on Crunchyroll.

Re: resizing and image resolution: readers who pirate manga online can't really register a complaint--they're not paying customers. We all want quality, but we can't expect it--obviously the massive readership on Mangafox suggests that most don't--if we don't pay for it. The point is that this is a deterrent for very few people.

Separately, I can't comprehend the point of Mangafox's leaving watermarks on the images either.

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before knowing about scanlators vs online readers war
I didn't bother with online readers because reading online is impractical for me
I prefer to download manga from the scnalators channel or website
if not I seek a some irc bots or known ftp server i use frequently
if all come to naughts i rip from online readers, but i don't read directly from them
and mangafox I don't even bother to rip from because it sucks in quality
my 2 cents is that people who read from mangafox are lazy ****, I excuse them if they are ignorant. but ignorance is a vice you have to get ride of immediately
or they are the facebook/youtube generation who are lazy to get and dig something of value
and some credit pages are just funny, and yeah i was a translator too and I feel betrayed if the credit page was removed

Infringers vs infringers.

This is a very good point. I personally scanlate to make my mangas known to the english speaking public. There's no better place for that than the big online readers. I couldn't care less if these sites respect my wishes or not as long as they bring the manga to the public. Shouldn't this at last be the goal of scanlations?

A lot of this online reader hate is just coming from too big egos being hurt tbh.


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some yes
but most hate is of making money at the expense of others
nobody likes robbers, swindlers and scammers not because people have big egos
but because they commit evil
and you being a scanlator doesn't makes your opinion contradict some-online-readers haters (because not all online-readers are evil)
I too worked in a scanlation team and I disagree with you