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strixflash
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Meh~ So many pages wasted on kubo bullshit ~_~ Kubo, you don't plan to end it in next 10 years, right?

Thankfully the ending was good. So old man Zangetsu is his quincy powers and representation of Back roll eyes This is the same Kubo who do last minute twist by saying it was planned from the start roll

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Humza
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Back when i saw Yhwach the first time i thought he looked a lot like old man zangetsu and possibly because kubo sensei has run out of cool character designs, but this is just too much. I liked old man zangetsu , but now i have to entertain the possibility of him being an evil quincy. mad

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Back when i saw Yhwach the first time i thought he looked a lot like old man zangetsu and possibly because kubo sensei has run out of cool character designs, but this is just too much. I liked old man zangetsu , but now i have to entertain the possibility of him being an evil quincy. mad

so if the old man is evil does that mean hollow Ichigo was actually the good guy
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Lonegun
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Anyone else think this makes absolutely no sense story-wise, with everything we know about the Visored and Zangetsu?

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This is what is making me rage. Zangetsu was the wise man imparting advise to ichigo, but now he is evil!!!
I'm hoping that's not the case i suppose we will find out for for sure in a couple of chapters.



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To be honest, this twist actually made sense to me. It might be something Kubo pulled outta his ass but goddam it's a smart twist.

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Belzera
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12:36 pm, Jun 5 2013
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Whut....

That was a shock, but I doesn't really seem like an asspull of an idea.

By the way, Wise Oldman giving advice doesn't make them automatically good as Several Bioware games have painfully taught me.

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Just because he seems to be his quincy power from Juha, doesn't at all mean that he's evil. He's his power not Juha himself.

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With Ishida joining (at least for now) the dark side, I was wondering how Ichigo was gonna master his Quincy powers, I guess that answers that.

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Agreed with the folks saying that it was a clever twist. It's not an asspull because the character design of Juha and old man Zangetsu is similar (although I never noticed until now). Also old man Zangetsu doesn't have to be evil as he is just a manifestation of Ichigo's Quincy powers.

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randomreader
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either kubo really HAS been planning this out for a very very very long time- or he is a master of improvisation and adapting to what he already laid out and find a way to twist it.

say what you will about his trolling- he is really good at coming up with twists

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Most of this chapter is junk except for the end. For the first time in a long while, Bleach just mindf*** me. About the same level as Aizen turning out to be a bad guy and isn't dead.

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Quote from xtr3m3dude
Agreed with the folks saying that it was a clever twist. It's not an asspull because the character design of Juha and old man Zangetsu is similar (although I never noticed until now). Also old man Zangetsu doesn't have to be evil as he is just a manifestation of Ichigo's Quincy powers.


It's an asspull because their were no hints of it before this arc ~_~ Kubo created this bullshit concept in this arc embarrassed Not a single clue of his quincy powers or Bach or Zangetsu in all the previous 480 chapters roll eyes You call it a twist when something was said or mentioned.... Kubo just introduced everything in this arc roll eyes Nope, no smart twist at all roll

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An asspull, yes...but a good one nonetheless!

And I don't think Zangetsu is evil, he is as someone said the manifestation of Ichigo's quincy powers...now why Ichigo's Quincy powers happen to look like his next big enemy is what I'm really looking forward to...

On another note, the whole story about Juuha Bach being the long dead progenitor of the Quincy and all the quincy followers trying to revive him by sacrificing quincy powers seems very similar to your average vampire story...All the idiotic vampires sacrificing high quality blood to revive Dracula.
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Bullshit!

So if I know Tite Kubo and his bullshit, Ichigo has jst been using his shikai the whole time. Like maybe Juha was holding his sword powers back. If the hollow was his real Zanpaktou then it seems like on several occasions his quincy powers(Zangetsu) was trying to help Ichigo keep him at bay. His hollow didn't show up till his sword changed so what if that was just his regular sword and his first one was just a normal sword that every shinigami has. That would mean that his "Bankai" that he has been using was just the first transformation, which is actually a shikai. THat would mean he has yet to attain a real bankai and has been fighting with just a shikai.

I feel like that is the direction Tite will go. Which is complete bullshit.

This is just a cop out for Tite to give Ichigo another power up, just like the the hyperbolic time chamber. More Bullshit!

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