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Post #607093 - Reply to (#607083) by Damnedman
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10:40 am, Jul 13 2013
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Not sure if sarcastic or genuinely interested in reading some sibling coitus (in which case, I suggest you look into the gajillion hentai on this subject). Of course, there's also those deus ex machina endings where they turn out not to be blood related like that bunny series, but I would still call ...


...You're saying what exactly? That it bothers you that the sister was the first girl introduced, even though the actual pairing is extremely rare (which is the exact reason why the pairing was in no way obvious.)

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No, I expected the pairing from the beginning. The trope, amount of character and relationship development between the two reinforced my expectations. I'm not annoyed about the her being introduced first per se (since that's not what First Girl Wins is about), but it made the story a lot more predictable. In the end, I'm disappointed that my prediction was right. You may think the pairing is rare and not obvious, but it was crystal clear to me for most of the series except for the Kuroneko arc. Actually I'm more surprised that they didn't flat out become a couple or pull some deus ex machina crap like being adopted or something. I love stories with a lot of plot twists and unpredictable events, and this is definitely not one of them.

Post #607187 - Reply to (#607167) by Damnedman
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No, I expected the pairing from the beginning. The trope, amount of character and relationship development between the two reinforced my expectations. I'm not annoyed about the her being introduced first per se (since that's not what First Girl Wins is about), but it made the story a lot more predic ...


Whether you expected it or not doesn't make it cliche. You're talking about personal expectations and preferences.

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I just read the final chapter and epilogue and it was left opened ending...
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Even though it is agrued to death in various forums, they were only pretend lvers for a short while. They knew their love was not somthing that could really happen and after the pretend wedding, they go back to being normal brother and sister. I would feel sorry for any siblings that really fell in love because the only way to truly get over a love and move on would be to quit seeing them. That would be hard to do still living in the same house. And the. You would have to watch each other get married sooner or later. Good thing that doesn't happen very often in real life.


Even though i enjoed season 1 of the anime, it got a little too silly after that and the ending was really silly. It was mainly for the comedy though.

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Same...

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I read the novel ending as well and he doesn't end up with anybody really. He loves his imouto and has a mock wedding. Then he takes back the "engagement ring" since it wasn't real, and they end up as normal brother/sister....w/ maybe some other feelings for each other. It's quite open.


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I wasn't a fan of this ending at all. It's very cliche. I was hoping he would at least pick somebody. Instead, he likes his sister too much to pick anybody else, but doesn't want to actually be with her either. So now both he and the sister are left with nobody romantically. They are happy with that, but it seems like a big let down to me. So many people were hurt along the way just so they could be good siblings.


Post #607649 - Reply to (#607187) by Randomfart
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"A cliché or cliche (UK /ˈkliːʃeɪ/ or US /klɪˈʃeɪ/) is an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning, or effect, and even, to the point of being trite or irritating, especially when at some earlier time it was considered meaningful or novel."

-Wikipedia, because I'm too lazy to get it from another source

Pretty much fits the bill. What they've done has been so overused that I'm irritated by it. It's cliche to me (and others as well, one would think) and that's all that matters. Although the subsequent comments may change my opinions. No, wait. Typical indecisive harem ending has ran through my mind several times as well. Defies my main expectations, but it still can't win. roll eyes

Plot of 99% of harems: Most of relationship development revolve around 2 characters (the girl usually being the first one to receive heavy character development) which result in either A. they get together or B. indecisive ending. If development is spread around, defaults to indecisive. This series is the former and thus is not the 1%.

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8:54 am, Dec 25 2013
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This story doesn't have an open ending. This is why:

Did you guys paid some attention to the BIG HINTS!

Go read volume 12 again and pay attention to the words of mikigami and also especially the epilogue:

- Kirino asks for a mereru ring
- Kyousuke uses his wish to kiss her (In the anime the kiss was on the cheek, but the author said
that he wanted it to be on the lips).
- Kirino says what about the promise? this not some eroge, kyousuke says what givess we are
siblings right?.
- Life counseling (she ask for it again)
- And she runs away but looks back and says follow me.

The author stated before, that from the start he wanted it to be a kirino x kyousuke ending and he couldn't make it more Obvious the ending because of some banning laws (incest). But he said read again the novel and connect the dots. It's a clear kirino ending without any open endings. The other girls are rejected one by one even Manami.

if it's true that it's open ending. How can you deny the events that occured in the epilogue? Do you say oo what the f.... who cares a mereru ring, a kiss on the lips and life counseling (who started it all, this love between them) is just there for fun? The author did it on purpose. and he already mentioned it why he wrote the ending that way. Get the hints people.

The most important thing in the whole novel is the words 'LIFE COUNSELING'. In other words, yes they are back to normal siblings but, the things they still do, are not what siblings really do. So in reality the relationship is hidden this time. And about the promise if you read what i said above. you could conclude that they broke the promise. And no it is not a fake wedding. Why should it be a fake wedding? they married in secret and no one was there. So when they went outside they couldn't show it to the world (that is why no one was there at the wedding). That is why they hide it and went back to being siblings.

There is more to this story than you would think.

Noo people there is no open ending in here but a clear kirino x kyousuke ending.

And this story is not an harem anime. Like I mentioned before. there are hints from volume 1 till 12 who hinted that it would end like this (kyousuke x kirino). Read volume 5 for example how kuroneko already knew that this siblings are not normal like other siblings. From the start it Always have been kyuousuke and his little sister. Kirino was in love with her brother for a long time and kyousuke fell in love with her later on or maybe didn't know that he had hidden feelings for her.

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