Sexual images of children are not ok.

If some creep gets off by looking at an innocent photo, for example of a small child playing naked in a wading pool, well the problem is with the creep, not the photo...but to purposely put a child in a sexual pose/situation is wrong.

Drawn images rather than photos of actual children are disturbing to me, but not on the same level as there are no REAL children involved (assuming the artist didn't have a real child posing...).

Please remember that crime rates are for REPORTED crimes - I have read some pretty convincing arguments that the actual crime rates in Japan are probably significantly higher for crimes like rape (mainly of the "date rape" type rather than the "stranger abduction" type), child molestation, child abuse, domestic violence, etc.

Even in countries like the US where people are (speaking generally and overall) much more open and less private than the people of Japan, there are still a lot of rapes, molestations, family abuse situations, etc. that are simply not reported.

Japanese laws on child abuse are pretty horrifically biased in favor of the parents...but that's a different topic.

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Yes, statistics are only 'reported crimes', but every country suffers from crimes being under reported, America is no exception, it's even called the most under-reported crime there.

... You know, I was expecting to walk into this thread with an overwhelmingly mindless "cp = bad" mindset of those within, but... you surprised me. I actually agree with what you said. For some reason, a lot of 'first world countries' feel the need to dictate everything else about the rest of the world. Democracy is imposed on others [I think we've been getting a little better about that insofar as we usually stick to emergencies nowadays, but I suppose you could take the sarcastic tack and claim it's for financial reasons] and so are our supposedly 'superior' values. I have no idea why people act the way they do about certain things. I suppose pedo hunts have been so prevalent since like the 60s or 70s that it's just become a pop culture meme.

I can't remember what the heck I was saying to begin with now. It's really early and I need to go to bed.

... Oh, right. Um... I was going to mention the fact that a lot of people seem to forget when thinking about Japan. And that is that Japan is very, very small. As a country's people evolve and multiply, the size of the country is actually extremely important to the way their culture develops. For instance, in Japan, unity, togetherness and politeness are requirements for being in society. Because they have no room, they have no resources, and no extra space or people to throw away with war or... well, much of anything to spare, really. The closer a proximity you live to your fellow humans, the more considerate you have to be in order to not kill one another. You could easily argue that this is both good and bad, and I would agree. On the one hand, the 'big' crimes are much rarer in societies forced to get along. But the need for keeping up appearances can lead to the death of the self- not just suicide, but hikikomori-ism, and unreported mental illnesses, as well as certain crimes. Instead of, say, the US, where it is commonly thought [especially in bigger cities] that it is 'I am more important than anyone, and anyone who doesn't agree is my enemy', in Japan the thought process is more 'Everyone is more important than me, and if I am incapable of being useful or productive, I am the enemy'. Of course, the idea that 'others' are the enemy applies as it does with every culture... the thing is, it applies to everyone who isn't Japanese, but not the people who are.

Perhaps it's difficult for people without certain backgrounds to understand. Who knows...? On the other hand, I can't state categorically that this is true. It's only what I've observed and seen from my own findings. Talking with my Japanese teacher, going on Futaba Channel, blogs and whatnot. Admittedly it's all hearsay, and I can't be certain unless I was born Japanese, and in Japan, but I can understand how this mindset works at the very least.

Apparently the legislators of Japan have some photo collections they want to keep.

Japan's laws on Child porn don't apply to anything that can potentially defend itself.

will you be surprised when your attitude of intolerance ends your righteous ass in hell?

I feel like there are a lot of cultural, socio-political aspects I am ignorant of going into the laws, but I believe them to be too lax.

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Personally I find the idea of child porn disturbing, especially if we're talking about real videos. Ugh.

However, something about this thread is making me extremely uncomfortable.



Yep. Exactly how I feel.


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Since I don't believe in hell, yeah, I'd be pretty surprised.

Are you seriously defending people deliberately posing young children in sexual positions/situations and taking photos of them as a good/ok thing to do?

I guess I'm thinking as a parent...I'm probably 20+ years older than many posters here...but when I think of sexual photos being taken of kids, HECK no it's NOT ok to do that to children.

Small kids don't understand & can't defend themselves against this stuff. It's easy to say that older kids/teens "know what they're doing" but the whole deal with having an age of consent is that even though they may THINK they're old/mature/whatever enough to make those decisions, the decision-making parts of the brain aren't done developing until an average of 20-25 years old. Even if a 14-year-old thinks he/she is mature blah blah blah....they're not. (Yep, I'm prepared for pages of nasty response posts from "mature" 14-year-olds proving they're very immature indeed.)

Rape, molestation, etc. are under reported everywhere, certainly. However some countries (US comes to mind, since I live here) have done a lot of work in raising awareness and encouraging victims to report the crimes, AND those who suspect someone they know is a victim to report it. Japan IN GENERAL still very much has a "don't stand out, don't rock the boat, don't make waves" attitude that discourages victims from reporting of such crimes, together with a "keep to yourself, don't interfere in the lives of others" attitude that also discourages those around victims from reporting. Of course any guess on the number of unreported crimes will always be just that, a guess...but it seems damn likely to me that the percentage of unreported crimes of this type in Japan is pretty high.

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good doesn't play into it when you don't believe in hell now does it?

its similar to how they treated the gays like 20 years ago. which is why its not ok. you are equating all pedophiles with rapists.

Rape is bad. but Love no matter its form should not be opposed.

although your argument was against porn. which is Victorian Era ethos. We were talking about Cartoon PORN which harms nobody. so yes, its OK.

I don't see this as a "moral" issue at all - it's preventing the exploitation of children.

If it was a matter of preventing kids from being forced into factory work at an early age, rather than sexual work, would you feel that it was an issue of "so called moral guardians" or would it just feel like the right thing to do? If you think about it in terms of labor laws, can you really defend putting 5-10 year old children to work, regardless of the industry?

How about slavery...is that ok if it's part of the "foreign society and culture"? Or do you see slavery as just plain wrong, regardless of the cultural basis?

How about genital mutilation? That's a big part of some African cultures, does that make it ok?

I really don't see a huge difference between issues like slavery and exploitation of children. Both victimize others & are therefore not ok.




First - wrong. Just because I don't believe in god or religion doesn't mean I have no sense of good/bad or right/wrong. Doing things that harm others is wrong. I don't need some supernatural being threatening me with Bad Things to understand that.

Second - wrong again. Go back and read my post. I was specifically addressing images of REAL CHILDREN (or drawn images IF the artist was using a live model).

While this is a manga site, the original post was addressing both drawn images and photos of REAL CHILDREN.


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"[English] not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."
-James Nicoll, can.general, March 21, 1992

They're not strict at all on real child porn yet on 2D porn stuff they go so overboard sometimes.
Seriously porn is a necessary thing for the world now because in all regions with stricter porn regulations rape is much higher so I don't know how to feel about this.

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Thumbs up, I totally agree with your posts!

Also,



That's BS. People don't rape because they need sexual release. There's basically 2 types of rapists: 1 are the type that get off on inflicting sexual pain on someone else and the second are the opportunists who are not especially into rape but who seize the opportunity to rape when it presents itself to them. In both cases it doesn't matter if you have something "stored up" or not.

But this is not about child rape either. It's about child porn. So let's keep the discussion limited to that.

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I'm sorry, is someone here actually defending pedophiles, and equating pedophilia with homosexuality? WTF?!

These are two completely different issues. Adults are old enough to have a say in who they want to love, whether its someone of the same sex or not. Children are too young to understand sex and love. Are you saying that as long as an 8 year old "falls in love" with a 40 year old that it's okay and they should be allowed to have sex?

Also, what if a man falls in love with his dog and wants to have sex with it? Is this okay since "Love no matter its form should not be opposed"?

Well, if you haven't given a good reason for it yet. sure.

Wouldn't say 'no matter what' obviously rape and such are crimes, but saying children can't love or whatever the hell you just said is just bigotry.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

and then you bring up dogs like the marriage arguers tend to. which I'm not sure how to interpret, does it mean you agree you don't have a case and want to change the subject without waiting for my rebuttal? or do you think the arguements against same sex marriage which basically go slippery slope to sex with animals and beastiality in half a sentence were particularly GOOD arguements?

I'm geniunely curious where you are going with this.

Now yes we can get into problems with 8 years old and toddlers and god knows what. but the law is .... at an extremely safe age of like 17 or 18 or higher.

So does a 16 year old not know what love is? a 14 year old? Cuz the law calls that statutory rape

WE *Could* get into when the earliest people meet your criteria but I'm not entirely sure its worth it judging from your dog sex comment you are just grasping at straws. and I'm doubtful whatever criteria you'd pose would be acceptable.

children don't understand about sex because its not properly explained to them, not because they can't grasp the concepts in their young minds.