for me, this statement is similar to all the scanlators who have been writing "if you have a problem with the scanlations then you should do them yourself or stop complaining". it goes both ways. if you have a problem with reactions of some of the readers, then realize that you have no obligation to this job for them. and yeah, i'm one of those readers who don't help out, but hopefully i haven't been one of those ungrateful readers who complain about every detail of scanlating to the point that scanlators want to quit.

The difference is if the scanlators REALLY quit everyone in the manga community suffers. If on the other hand ungrateful angry leachers opt not to help it doesn't really change much does it? Hell, if they disappear altogether the community would be SO much better. And as far as going both ways go: leechers asks scanlators for releases, is it really that unfair for scanlator to ask leechers not so much as to help out but to wait for the release? And I get the fact that not every leecher is the same. There are still those who show up at the scansite and express their appreciation. I don't even want to argue about the "leechers being ungrateful" thing anymore because that is a VERY VERY old topic already. Don't want to talk about them. What I can't stand is YOU saying scanlators quit if they hate the raging leechers. You say you're not one of the "ungrateful leechers" but that statement is the lowest of the low you can go.

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No, you don't need to live in the country itself. Maybe if you're after a job in that field, but if you're learning japanese in self-study for manga, then it's pretty much feasible in 2-3 years.
Trust me, I did that.
Again, it are just excuses.

To begin with, my argument was directed at the people who complain about the release speed.
If you are content with the situation at it is and patiently can wait for the release, then there's no need to learn japanese yourself. Just enjoy reading.
My point is, that some leecher whine for years "where's the next release" and if they had used the time instead for studying, they would be at a level where they can read now.

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You cant compare learning a language with starting a soccer team-.-
You can perfectly study Japanese bit by bit on a regular basis. You don't need to invest 8hours a day. 1h or even 30min are fine, as long as you keep it up regularly.

I don't know what kind of harsh life you are living that doesnt even allow you to have one free hour in a week for studying japanese-.-
I know plenty of people that succeeded slowly but surely in their studies by dedicating 1-2 hours per week on it. So stop with the excuses.

If you don't want to learn it, it's a different matter, but then you aren't allowed to complain about scanlators, which ultimately is my point.

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Nothing from the list pisses me off Why would I get pissed off by something as trivial as that?
I like speed scanlations. Never cared about quality and never will. I got a firm belief, that real gems shall shine regardless. And there is way too much raw stuff, so the faster equals the better .
I don't really care about people making money off scanlations all that much. I'm just a leecher and I enjoy speedy and comfy reading. A couple of adblocked banners won't ever hurt^^.
And it doesn't matter to me what kind of reason there was for a group to stop scanlating. The title would most likely stay dead and that's all there is. Want to read it, but can't, well, that's life for you. Oh, and in like 99% of those cases, it means, that that manga shall seriously go downhill afterwards.
It's sorta lame, when a group has too many projects and releases are slow for the series you read, but look on the bright side - we might get to learn more series this way too.
Guess, I'll vote for "when multiple groups scanlate the same series". It's been nagging me forever. So much potential being lost. But who are we to complain? Looks like there are lots of ppl, who won't ever consider translating anything beside One piece, Noblesse or whatever, even if their releases are pretty much useless.

Aren't the only people that frequent mangafox and NOEZ the ones that don't even come here anyway and subsequently don't know about the atrocities?

I mean who in their right mind would pay for something that can just as easily be found on another non-profit manga site.

Although obviously alot of "online reader" people come here and vote since the most stupid of the choices is in the lead.

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Wouldn't that kind of go under people asking when the next chapter will be released? If you think about it, that ties together implicitly what you've said. I think people should just be glad that it's still an active project but I think the way you're going about it is wrong. We don't have all the time in the world to just sit and learn a new language--how to speak it, how to read it and how to write it. especially when Japan uses three or four different writing styles. What you should be stressing on is that we have our own lives just like complaining freeloaders do and we're not all hunched over a laptop 24/7 cranking out scan after scan. We're human, humans are meant to live. Plus, if they complain enough, maybe they'll see the consequences of having done so i.e. the scanlator just quits.

well since you mean aggregate sites...well I guess it's because it doesn't directly affect readers than it does affect scanlators. For me, I probably didn't choose it because of that very reason. I mean it is important to be aware of it and boycott them but it's not enough to get me pissed off i suppose. I get that it isn't fair to scanlators and most importantly the artists/authors of the scanlated works but what can we do other than not use it? Millions of other people access those sites with ignorance.

You're completely ignoring the plus sides making your comment one-sided. Though there are plenty of ungrateful leechers, there are plenty of grateful ones also. We don't just want to up and disappoint them due to the others. Plus, this may just be me, but I honestly enjoyed scanlating. I did every job in the field except translate (except on one instance) and learning how to clean scans better, typeset better, etc, was honestly fun for me. Redrawing not so much, but ya. I'm not criticizing you for thinking that way if you want, but why should scanlators have to give up the pros of doing it because they might lament one downside? At least for me, I like to be able to rant, whether anyone reads and acknowledges it or not doesn't bother me.

Hello .
I'm not only a lecher I'm also a cleaner or a typesetter for some groups so I think it's okay if I complain a little.
The thing that angers me the most is when multiple groups scanlate the same series, it really get's me mad. There are sooo many super great series so why do you want do the same two times? At last they could do a join.
And I think lately it's happening more than before, in the genre I read at last.

Edit: I left one more thing that I don't like pretty much but it isn't in the list, I don't want to make mad anyone and everyone can do what they want but even so don't like it...
I don't like when there are many good groups of the same genre and then a lot of new groups start to pop-up because I know what that will lead to "When scanlation stops due to a Cease & Desist" and "When a good series stops being scanlated because the group closed". I think so, because even if there are a lot of groups the staff translators/editors doesn't change so one group or another is left without staff .
And now I've really stopped complaining, even thought when I see people saying to make the releases quicker I think why don't you join if you have a little of time everyday, at least to be a typesetter, for me that doesn't take to much time. Because I'd like to have faster releases too you know?
But I'm not mad at the readers because in the groups I'm in they are pretty grateful and they almost always say thanks .

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I appreciate this comment.

I was making my one-sided comment (only about ungratefuls) because that's what the other scanlators were focusing on. None of them were saying "I love what I do, I just wish this one thing would change." Maybe that message was hidden between the lines. But all I kept reading was "There are too many rude, inconsiderate, ungrateful readers and I don't think they deserve to read what I produce". And if you really feel that you aren't being appreciated and you no longer like what you do, I think the only way you'll be happy is if you quit. Because at the end of the day, you aren't going to be able to force every reader to appreciate what you do, let alone contribute to scanlating.

One, I said that if you want to be fluent/well-versed, then what you need to do is have formal instruction or live in the country of origin itself. Perhaps it doesn't take as much time or resources in order to learn enough Japanese for manga, but it's not something you can just ask anyone to do. Some people don't have the time (or resources) to do such things, which is why they rely on scanlation groups to do it for them. Even saying 2-3 years is a lot, and I know that even if you study for 2-3 years your skills as a translator will still be rough, especially under self-study. Studying Japanese in class for 2 years has not given me the qualifications to start translating manga, simply because I don't know the ins and outs of the Japanese language/culture as well as I'd like to yet, and this isn't because my instructor or my studying skills are poor.

Two, don't backtrack on what you said. Perhaps you implied that your comment was directed at people who complain about releases, but it still remains the fact that you said, "At the end of the day, reader are just selfish pricks that are too lazy to even lift a single finger (except for browsing the online reader) for their hobby." It's not only rude, but also untrue.

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Why so drastic? There are other things scanlators can do to make themselves happy short of quitting. For example, drop manga with annoying leechers. I've done it once, and it was quite satisfying. When some leechers whined, I simply pointed out that the fact that they were too lazy to post "thanks" on releases, but not too lazy to post their whines when we dropped it. I think they got the message. Hopefully, it will teach them to be more considerate with the next scanlator unlucky enough to pick up that project.

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And based off of what you DIDN"T read you suggest that scanlators QUIT? If you haven't done any scanlating at all then you wouldn't really know would you? Do not make an assumption about something you don't know and think it is right, let alone force it upon someone else. If you're the type of person to give up on something you love just because it gets hard sometimes then so be it. But please don't assume that everyone is like you. And I suggest not trying to spread it around while you're at it.

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This is a good solution, especially if its only one particular manga that's the problem. Or maybe if there are particular leechers you don't like, you can form a group that bans those people from reading your scans.