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Post #620006 - Reply to (#619586) by deadphoenix
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I chose above average since there's nothing wrong in a bit of fantasy. It does get a bit ridiculous when they're the size of watermelons though. Imagine all the back pains no

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That last one is just perfect for a comedy...

It'd be nice if that's true in real life. Gynecomastia is the name of the condition and is a source of bullying unfortunately. Case in point (NSFW sort of)

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Oh dear. 'Bust size'? I do hope to keep things equal though, next week's poll will have something to do with 'nut size'! smile wink grin Jokes aside, really moderator(s), what were you thinking? You had all these great manga-relevant AND non-degrading polls before, and now this? Most of the male population here would be disgusted if the poll question was 'You are creating a manga with a male character, so the size of his penis is...". Why this 1950s b.s.? Come on! sad

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Post #620087 - Reply to (#619721) by asmageddon
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I've read through all the comments here and I agree now. Congratulations to some of you for letting your chauvinistic pigs out. I DEMAND NUT SIZE NEXT, MR POLL DECIDER! mad

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I'm still not sure if I'd prefer a "nut size" or a "penis size" poll. I think the latter could be more fitting, but also potentially a bit too nsfw.

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Post #620106 - Reply to (#620100) by asmageddon
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Also it wouldn't really make things any better (and neither penis or nut size discussions are really the same as talking about women's breats is - most importantly, it's probaly more something men use to judge each other, and not something women use to evaluate the attractiveness of a guy). Idk, I read plenty of manga with fanservice for women, and the focus is rarely on the size of a guys' penis.

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Post #620107 - Reply to (#619977) by cowsrawesome
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I wish I could "like" or "upvote" your comments. Couldn't agree more with what you're saying.

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Wow, too many feminist extremists here. People like you are giving the whole movement a bad name with your aggressive and irrational behavior.

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eh, I'm getting tired of a character's bust size being considered an important trait. we've sexualized breasts to the point where feeding babies has to be done in private.

there should be an "it doesn't matter" option for those of us who don't care about ecchi


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Ehhh kinda a lame, double-standard poll, and it hardly has anything to do with manga. no Can we get the male equivalent poll next time?

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Wow, too many feminist extremists here. People like you are giving the whole movement a bad name with your aggressive and irrational behavior.

Feminazis only see things their way roll eyes

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there should be an "it doesn't matter" option for those of us who don't care about ecchi

Sure, let's purposely design a character without a care in the world. Their physical features would vary from panel to panel. Tall? Short? Fat? Skinny? Hey, they can be whatever we want them to be at the whims of our mood.

Yeah, let's design a Ditto.
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Feminazis only see things their way roll eyes

and I guess misogynists are different and are open to hearing other people's opinions? roll eyes

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there should be an "it doesn't matter" option for those of us who don't care about ecchi

Sure, let's purposely design a character without a care in the world. Their physical features would vary from panel to panel. Tall? Short? Fat? Ski ...[/quote]

just because you don't care about a particular feature doesn't mean it wouldn't get drawn at all or that it would change from panel to panel. For the majority of manga I read, breast size is irrelevant to the plot, and I don't spend my time staring at them.

Also, remember that this poll is "You are creating a manga". So whether or not breast size is important will depend on who you are, and what the manga is about.

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and I guess misogynists are different and are open to hearing other people's opinions? roll eyes

Are you implying that I am a misogynist? Do you even know what word means?
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there should be an "it doesn't matter" option for those of us who don't care about ecchi

Sure, let's purposely design a character without a care in the world. Their physical features would vary from panel to panel. Tall? Short? Fat? Ski ...


just because you don't care about a particular feature doesn't mean it wouldn't get drawn at all or that it would change from panel to panel. For the majority of manga I read, breast size is irrelevant to the plot, and I don't spend my time staring at them.

Also, remember that this poll is "You are creating a manga". So whether or not breast size is important will depend on who you are, and what the manga is about.


At the end of the day, regardless of what kind of genre your manga is gonna be, you're gonna have to decide on the physical characteristics of the character you're designing.

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It's irrelevant to the plot


If the breast size isn't important, then it's safe to assume that you're creating a "plain" and "normal" character. Which means you're gonna go ahead and give her "average sized" breasts. You can say that. There's nothing wrong with it. You're not objectifying their gender - you're objectifying the character.

If I'm designing a male character with bulky and toned muscles, I'm not objectifying the male gender. I'm just designing a male with bulky and toned muscles.

THAT'S what the question is about. There's nothing sexist about it. Every character designer who actually gives a damn about what they're doing faces this kind of question. Sure, it may seem that way at first glance, but you have to look at the bigger picture. I'm not closed to hearing other people's opinions. I'm just trying to point out that those opinions are near-sighted and closed minded.

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and I guess misogynists are different and are open to hearing other people's opinions? roll eyes

Are you implying that I am a misogynist? Do you even know what word means?

literally: hatred of women. and i'm sure you were likely planning to inform me that as a heterosexual man (i'm making assumptions about your sexuality here, so correct me if your wrong) that you love women. But you know that this isn't what i meant by this comment. btw, this isn't the first thread in which i've thought you've come off as misogynistic.

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there should be an "it doesn't matter" option for those of us who don't care about ecchi

Sure, let's purposely design a character without a care in the world. Their physical features would vary from panel to panel. Tall? Short? Fat? Ski ...


just because you don't care about a particular feature doesn't mean it wouldn't get drawn at all or that it would change from panel to panel. For the majority of manga I read, breast size is irrelevant to the plot, and I don't spend my time staring at them.

Also, remember that this poll is "You are creating a manga". So whether or not breast size is important will depend on who you are, and what the manga is about.


At the end of the day, regardless of what kind of genre your manga is gonna be, you're gonna have to decide on the physical characteristics of the character you're designing
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i realize that for the woman to be drawn anatomically correct, an artist is going to have to decide on how to draw that woman's breast just like they would for any other body part. but, as previously stated, this poll is specifically asking about breast size. we all know that society treats breasts differently than other body parts, so lets not pretend that this was just some innocent poll where breasts could've been substituted with head size or feet size.

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It's irrelevant to the plot


If the breast size isn't important, then it's safe to assume that you're creating a "plain" and "normal" character. Which means you're gonna go ahead and give her "average sized" breasts. You can say that.


My first post in this thread said that if I were creating a manga, breast size would not be relevant to the plot so I would choose a realistic (aka average) size.
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If I'm designing a male character with bulky and toned muscles, I'm not objectifying the male gender. I'm just designing a male with bulky and toned muscles.


Male bodies aren't objectified in the same way as female bodies. This is especially relevant if you are straight and would not be seeing this bulky, well-toned character in a sexual way.

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There's nothing sexist about it.

I don't really agree. I think this poll was created by a straight guy, who seeing female characters in a sexual way, wanted to know what others thought about female characters breasts.


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Bust size and penis size are not the same for the simple reason that one is visible and therefore relevant for character design while the other is not (excluding hentai). I'm quite a bit shocked how many people here are overlapping manga with reality. No, your personality does not define your bust size, thanks for pointing that out cpt. obvious (can't be bothered to quote now), but if you haven't noticed yet, we're talking about manga and not about women in real life.

If you were a character designer, you might just give the look of your character a little thought. That those happy-go-lucky athletic characters often have a flat chest or that maternal characters often have larger ones is a widely used cliche. You may have noticed, if you haven't started reading manga yesterday.

If all of your female characters are not going to have a torso, that's fine with me, but be fair enough to chop off the lower body part of all male characters roll

(I admit that I found the poll distasteful at first, but I realized that from an artistic point of view, it is a legitimate question. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for feeling offended, but calling anyone voicing his opinion a "chauvinistic pig" without a second thought is just... right, offending)

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I'm not saying anyone is wrong for feeling offended, but calling anyone voicing his opinion a "chauvinistic pig" without a second thought is just... right, offending)


Not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I didn't call just anyone a "chauvinistic pig" (well I didn't use this direct term at all in any of my posts). There were people on here making comments that the women who were offended by the poll were just oversensitive feminists. In my experience, people who use the "oh, well their just some crazy feminists" excuse to defend their position are the ones who hold sexist viewpoints (after all, feminism is about believing women should be treated equally to men, so if you are attacking this you probably believe that women shouldn't be treated equally).

Anyways, I guess it was wrong to expect much in the way of respect or understanding for why some women would be offended by this poll.

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