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Ikari
Post #623370
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11:59 am, Dec 5 2013
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I don't think there's anything wrong if you publicly post the DMCA letter or at least state which company sent it.

I mean I'm sorry, manga-updates is hardly the main problem companies face, they should first try to take down various online readers such as mangafox (which has proven difficult).

_xyz_
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12:34 pm, Dec 5 2013
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What about linking to Google Search with something like:

https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]

Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?

HumanoidInterface
Post #623373 - Reply to (#623371) by _xyz_
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1:08 pm, Dec 5 2013
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Quote from _xyz_
What about linking to Google Search with something like:

https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]

Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?


Several reasons why this would be useless, the most prevalent of which is that new groups would not show up on google searches for a while (if they don't use blogspot).

taraian
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2:23 pm, Dec 5 2013
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k i get it u guys had to removed links ,but can we post link address at comment ?

Otakkun
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2:34 pm, Dec 5 2013
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Damned.

p00k
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2:49 pm, Dec 5 2013
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wait, so let me get this straight. posting a link to websites violates the dmca. posting links to facebook doesnt? because facebook isn't a website?

or is it the facebook site isn't the one that has the objectionable content on it? it simply has links to the objectionable content. so a link to content is bad, a link to a link to content is ok?

but then by that argument people who use a 3rd party file host, sendspace/mediafire/etc, are in the clear? alternatively if you use a link redirecting service, in theory isn't that ok as well?

oh dmca nazis, logic was never your strong point, huh?

JohnSteel
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3:34 pm, Dec 5 2013
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Policy changes? Link removal? You might as well just shut down this site. Do NOT comply with this. It is illegal. They would not dare to DCMA Google, so they are targeting you instead. Your response should be to file an ethics complaint against their lawyer and let the public know what company is behind it.

Seriously, file an ethics complaint against the lawyer who sent it. They would not dare to go after Facebook, Twitter, Google because they know that they are wrong.

Your cowardly actions just put a target on this site. Now companies know that they can push you around. Bullies target the weak, and you just told every DCMA bully that you are weak. Instead contact organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation to help you.

Gradonil_Ral
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3:44 pm, Dec 5 2013
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Sad news, true, but I'm gonna get used to this too - I did, when thee download links for the releases were disabled. This doesn't change that much anyways.

You can just select the group name, right-click and search google, if you have a google search active in your Search Engines bar. Or use Selected Search plugin to be able to choose from the engines you've installed.

You can also bypass the block if the group uses twitter or facebook since the website links will still be available there (and both fb and twitter are still clickable here).

The only groups that might be harder to find are the smaller ones which don't have names unique enough to be placed high in search results. Then again, if they haven't taken that into consideration while choosing their names... well, they've only themselves to blame wink

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kitty1826x
Post #623398 - Reply to (#623394) by JohnSteel
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3:57 pm, Dec 5 2013
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If you read the Group Links Update you would have read that they were strong armed into doing something in order to keep the site running.

Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off websites that have had too many notices off the search page. ( You can google how they are trying to stop piracy from popping up on search, and how they have gotten plenty of copyright suits ).


Honestly something no one has mentioned before is that with the group links being up it is most likely is contributory copyright infringement. [ Which is the other form of indirect infringement, contributory infringement, requires (1) knowledge of the infringing activity and (2) a material contribution -- actual assistance or inducement -- to the alleged piracy.] <- definition from some page about copyright.

Why is the DCMA after Secondary liability sites who knows. Maybe they are treating it as a Vicarious Liability case.

But this whole this is just a mess of gray, and should be fought against.


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imercenary
Post #623402 - Reply to (#623398) by kitty1826x
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4:20 pm, Dec 5 2013
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Nobody mentioned it because theres no legal precedent. The dmca has never gone to court over secondary or teritary webaites and nearly every legal expert admits it wouldnt hold up cause it would destroy the internet.

Its a bullshit law that cant be killed because tou literally need millions of dollars and years of litigation or judicial action to fix.

stew00
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4:38 pm, Dec 5 2013
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most likely its crunchroll seeing how they stooped to the same tactics when they were trying to get their anime domination going and shutting down hardworking groups to boost their site hits, since they are activetly doing the same for their new manga section, stay tuned to a lot more sites they will attack to get their way.

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The H Emperor
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4:57 pm, Dec 5 2013
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So you are saying that I,....sorry we should actually pick up each and every of their titles until they start doing something about online readers such as mangafox?

I mean groups we can make whenever we want and we can even put it out on the online readers for people to read. So if they want to stop it they will either stop sites like these or stop the online readers where people actually go to read their manga. Not that many people download as they did in the past. I'l got with the latter option because that's how you hit the people taking your money. Stopping this site will just result in a new site...also this site isn't doing anything illegal.

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Post #623412 - Reply to (#623402) by imercenary
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Precedent or not, but, as we can see from the quote "Due to imminent threats and action taken against our host and the suspension of our paypal account", they CAN affect secondary websites even w\o court :\

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Quote from Kitty18dnsz
If you read the Group Links Update you would have read that they were strong armed into doing something in order to keep the site running.

Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off ...


Lies. Cuz I keep seeing the online readers popping up on my searches when I search for a title on google. It's annoying cuz I'm not looking for where to read it and they keep showing that to me. So how come you don't get those search results while I get spammed by results mangahere, mangareader etcetc?

So LIAR! bigrazz

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Before someone calls me a liar! lol

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