^ With all due respect kind sir, you are a hypocrite. As far as I know, this site has always served the purpose of announcing releases by scanlation groups that invest their time to bring as manga chapters for FREE. Or do you see Viz releases here? Are you telling me you are a member here whose sole intention is talking about manga? you don't read scans for free? please.
Now I know I'm, reading stuff ILLEGALLY and that it isn't fair to mangakas. But I have my own reasons for doing so, namely because I can't get access to many manga to my liking cause I live in a 3rd world country which isn't of any interest to Japan's manga industry..
I am AGAINST Chrunchyroll publicizing their manga here. They are not a scanlation group, they are a COMPANY. And I don't care for payed online manga. If I'm paying for it I want a physical copy.

My issue with Crunchyroll was the reader didn't really feel user friendly. It also was a bit too aggressive with the reminders about the subscriptions. I like legal routes but it's not there yet. It kind of reminds me of my reaction to Funimation's iPad app. When I could get the app to work I didn't mind the ads even clicked on a few. However that was a big if. Instead I gave up and started using their website where Quicktime actually eliminates the ads. It's because it's a reliable way to access Funimation content (and in that case legal). Equally I wouldn't mind Crunchyroll so much if it actually seemed usuable when I tried. Instead I didn't get very far with it and gave up. Crunchyroll has a place and one I've been wanting for a while. However, I'm not willing to invest in a website I can't enjoy. As to the only free for one week, I wish it was 2-4 weeks, but the policy of having it available for a limited time isn't new for a group on this site.

Edit: on a side note the timing of Crunchyroll appearing on this site is in juxtaposition with something else that happened. While it could be coincidence, there is a strong possibility it wasn't. In part I deal with Cruchyroll's presence here as a necessity. Maybe I'm reading between the lines, but I'm seeing something, something guarded in how MU is addressing this. We can not like it all we want, but I really think we should be respecting MU on this and supporting them instead of giving them a headache complaining about their handing of it.

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Thanks for actually quoting something I said which holds me as a hypocrite. As I've said, many people take it for granted that manga is being scanlated for free, which is what annoys me to no end. These are the people who absolutely have no interest in supporting the manga industry whilst at the same time want to keep getting manga for free. Yes, I know that everyone here wants to be able to read manga for free, which is why we're all here. The thing is, CR DOES let us read the latest chapters for free, so I don't really see a problem with that.

I take every chance I get to support manga - I'm subscribed to Viz's WSJ even though I'm in Europe (Where we don't get free Yugioh cards which pretty much negate the cost of subscription AND we aren't even able to read it on the pc but are forced to use Android/Apple devices to read which is a real pain but I still subscribe because I support them) as well as having being a full access CR member AND I also buy volumes of manga that I really like. I do what I can to support, but as you've said, there are still many manga which have not been licensed yet, which is why I'm still here.

Anyway back to the point, as already stated by the admin previously, the releases by CrunchyRoll are free for viewing at release, so there is no reason why they shouldn't include CR releases. They're still sticking to their policy of only giving the latest updates of the series. If we're hating on official releases, then why don't we hate on Manga Box as well? They're also official publishers but they don't seem to be getting any flak around here. Not only that, Manga Box pretty much forces you to make an account or use their app if you want to read full chapters. Whereas in CR you don'tneed to sign up to read the latest free chapter. Really, all this hate on CR is completely unwarranted, which is the point I've been trying to emphasize.

Furthermore, who even says that you need to go to the CR site to read their scans? Does everyone always go to the scanlators site to read the latest chapters? I know I do for most of them, but I also read quite a few series from different sites. This site only notifies us that a new chapter has been released - the actual group that does it doesn't really matter as long as it's free. In fact, only a fraction of people actually go to read from the scanlators site. People need to realise that they don't need to go to CR to read the CR releases, just like how you don't need to go to the scanlator's site to read releases from that particular group. Oh, we're talking about how we can only read the latest chapter on CR and that's why it shouldn't be included in the updates list? Well I can only read the latest TWO chapters of Naruto, OP, and Bleach on MangaStream. Shouldn't that mean they shouldn't be allowed in mangaupdates either? Like the admin said, at the time of release, the chapter was released for free, and has a very reasonable timespan of at least a week of remaining to be free. Just go to some aggregate site if you missed out on the weekly CR releases. Once again I re-iterate - The hate for CR is completely unwarranted.

Concerning your point about digital manga vs physical copies, yes, I do prefer physical copies, as I think most people do. But these subscription-based ones aren't too bad either (Similar to Netflix). We need to ask ourselves why scanlation was started in the first place - It was because of the lack of official support for English readers. Now companies are trying to expand their selection of manga as well as having same-day chapter releases, which is a great step forwards. And yet we all hate them for it? Any more points you want me to touch on?

Quickedit: All I really want is for people to stop blindly hating CR and actually appreciate them for trying to bring more support to the manga industry. If we just let go of all the bias, we'll see the CR isn't really that bad. Look at how much they've helped the anime side of things.

As I recall the about us states the MU brings the latest scanlations and manga information (point here is and). Also the section for releases just states latest releases. Thus while they aren't scanlations they are online releases as well as updated manga information. The only section that Crunchyroll is placed in that it doesn't fit is "Groups Scanlating" since they aren't scaning the works.

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this. it's not like this site's values and beliefs are gonna change just because they have a legal name listed for releases. it also isn't gonna affect the website's design.

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Dreamer, *chuckles at the eye roll* sorry if my comments were ambigious. I was having a few issues with CRs (along with Funimation's) app and took to a slight bit of venting in my first post. The side note you quoted was my convoluted attempt to support MU's staff on CR being listed (I used the term this because CR being on MU is the subject of the original post). CR appearred on the site after the website links were pulled. Pretty much from what I can figure out it's an attempt to highlight official releases after that mess (the jaded conspiracy theorist in me was winning out when I wrote that side note, so I went as far as alluding to CR might have been behind that mess, adding them was part of the appeasement, and now MU's staff are stuck treading arround cracks to prevent breaking their promise not to release who was behind the mess) My second post was actually supporting CRs presence on this site pointing out that the only time it's directly in conflict with where it's placed is when it's notated as a scanlator. Most other places on this site it actually fits, they are a group (broad sense but still are), they have releases, and they are classified as manga information.

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I can't believe there's a big essay about this thread. This is just my opinion so don't go all crazy on me just because its my answers to this thread.

When I first encountered CR, it wasn't like the profit type. It changed until they had a lot of people helping and supporting their website. I've seen their advertisement on my Chinese Cable about promotions and stuff. (It was weird finding it on the cable O_O). Though their new staff/supporters are a bit...well...more like a lot of more worse than the staff I met when CR was on alpha/beta mode or was it after it...I don't remember. So anyways, I don't mind if they're doing profit by scanlating horrible series but if that is the only way to support their group without having too many different things, then I guess that's how it is. Although, they do harrass you with email and trials to get premium in order to support their group. But after you do it once, they don't bother you again. And usually, you can just tell them to stop. Although Shinji, the creator, may have so much things to do to the point where he let his fellow staff do the work for him. So it may be not be the best thing he done so far with these ADs and promotion. I don't really mind everyone's opinion about CR, because I love CR not because of the constant promotion because of the people I meet on there.

I only read their manga/series like once or twice before it was closed down for a couple of years and it was re-opened. But before it was free, and the quality wasn't as bad as it is now. I don't really know the real reason to why it was shut down and re-opened again after a long time.

I like CR as a community, although their staff may be a rude and all, but I still like CR the way it is.

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I worry that scanlators may become distressed by CR releasing content several chapters ahead of them, and may decide that a series is no longer worth the considerable effort. Scanlators serve an important role in our community.
As a reader, I personally find the CR presence on MU to be an annoyance. I also believe that mine and everyone else's opinions present in this thread can be useful to MU while making decisions that affect the MU community, self serving, or not. MU very literally lives to server the community.

Crunchy Roll's scan quality suck, but I'm fully supportive of them being listed here.

They discourage English scanlations by doing their series? Boo fucking hoo.

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Threads like this make me want to quit scanlations. We don't scan so you little cheap-asses don't have to buy things. We scan so we can share new series so you can go buy other series and items from the mangakas.

CR is at least supporting the mangakas. Unlike all of you.

I wouldn't become "distressed" if CR picked up any of my projects. On the contrary, I would gladly drop them and let them run with it. Scanlation is not about stealing business from legit publishers.

Also, while I think that since CR is technically a publisher and not a scanlator, and thus they shouldn't be on this site, if it helps their business, let them do it. It's good for manga fandom in general if authors actually get paid.

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I think they should be differentiated from scanlations. Since scanlations are fan translations. Should make a new tab for people interested, something like "Official releases" or something similar. A lot of the official printed releases are worth shit due to censorship and other stuff. And i personally hate censored materials, and i'm sure i'm not the only one.
Also as an addition since you guys took down all the links to all groups, etc, you could add in this tab the old scans from the groups that did scans of the official english version that you guys took down a few years back. ex: KickTheKitty, Furious Puppet, Sengfurke2, and others. To let people know that mangas are available for free somewhere on the internet, that's why this site was made, was it not? And since there's no link anywhere, you guys should be safe, right?

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I have been frustrated over this for a while as well (crunchyroll, mangabox, etc).

Not really any point in complaining though, admins won't change anything.

Just hide the groups, like I did.

I could respond to the numerous other things in this thread I disagree with (primarily the hypocritical bullshit about supporting the authors by online reading only), but it's not worth the effort.

PS: Crunchyroll can hurl all the C&Ds they want, I wouldn't drop a series they picked up. They don't have the money to back up a C&D with a lawsuit.

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You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who buys more volumes on this website than me. For the rest of the people in this thread, you're probably right.



I think you'd be surprised.

Also, as far as I know, they don't throw out C&D's. But the fact that they're doing official releases at a high speed has discouraged some scanlators from continuing some series, see Uchuu Kyoudai.

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We will never allow those to be listed on MU. Not on my watch.

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