@Assidus:
annoyingly many? (I skipped the combinations that don't exist and didn't bother with hentai, that would be the only exception imo)

joseixseinen = 7 joseixshoujo = 21 joseixshoujoai = 27 joseixshounen = 1 joseixshounenai =29 joseixyaoi = 16 joseixyuri =20
seinenxloli = 24 lolixshota ~130 (almost all hentai and dj) lolixshoujo = 3 lolixshoujoai = 1 lolixshounen = 5 lolixyaoi = 2 lolixyuri ~ 130 (again almost all hentai and dj)
seinenxshota = 6 seinenxshoujo = 6 seinenxshoujoai ~ 90 seinenxshounen 18 seinenxshounenai = 30 seinenxyaoi = 11 seinenxyuri ~75
shotaxshoujo = 1 shotaxshoujoai = 1 shotaxshounen = 3 shotaxshounenai = 38 shotaxyaoi ~725 shotaxyuri = 12
shoujoxshoujoai = 45 shoujoxshounen = 20 shoujoxshounenai ~270 shoujoxyaoi = 21 shoujoxyuri = 7
shoujoaixshounen = 42 shoujoaixshounenai = 15 shoujoaixyaoi = 1 shoujoaixyuri ~ 100 (almost all dj)
shounenxshounenai = 9 shounenxyaoi = 1 shounenxyuri = 21
shounenaixyaoi ~350 shounenaixyuri = 2
yaoixyuri = 8

unless you read only hentai and yaoi I don't see those annoying numbers...

btw while searching I got the impression that:
1) most of those combination are somewhat older (2005-)
2) there seem to be difficulties to differentiate between yaoi, shota and shounen ai, it looks like the "demographic" was just added even when there are no scanned chapters at all
3) there is an annoying number of dj's with those problems

it still is standard on this page (apart from hentai), so it makes sense to ask a corresponding question/make a corresponding poll.

@cmertb:
the poll was made according the the sites standards, so if there is a problem with that, start a topic in bugs&suggestions and get shot down by a mod, because that's what happened the last time I believe - unless they change their mind, this won't be changed.

@Assidus:
Afaik these demographics are chosen according to the magazine a manga is published in.
-> shoujo, seinen, josei, shounen magazines in itself make sense.
I don't think hentais will be published in WSJ so I guess they get their own magazines, and same with yaoi, etc, because from a publishers point of view it wouldn't make any sense to cross-publish different of those demographics. But I don't live there, so dunno how that is handled, but it makes sense this way...

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I remembered a few and found some more when I opened some random series from the recent releases. Might just be selective perception on my part, but considering that they are supposed to be mutually exclusive that is a lot imo, yes.

But again, the thing that I don't get is not that there are doubles, but that there aren't supposed to be any (apart from the first 4).


That's my opinion too, I just think that the other options are a whole different category, and that one manga/doujin should be able to fit in one of those options plus one or more of the others.

I'm sorry for having helped in derailing this thread like that, it's just something that has bugged me before now and then, and this brought my attention back to it.
Would there be any point in starting a seperate topic on this, or has this already been discussed enough on this forum, and the current way is generally agreed upon?


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"Read the most" would be shounen, because shounen has more releases more often. It's inevitable.

And there's the fact that I enjoy seinen shounen and action a lot.

This poll is based on the demographics that are represented on this site's genre list. If you're uncertain to which category your "BL" belongs to you can see which the works you have in mind are included in.

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My concern on this topic only goes as far as to point out that the results of this poll don't reflect any useful reality. Job done, I believe.

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I was just curious about people picking "Yaoi". Would like to know more about this. Assuming most voted seriously, then it's certainly interesting. When you choose to read yaoi, what goes about in your mind? What's the purpose of picking these? Is it for "fapping"? Sexually appealing/arousing, but no "fapping"? Does it make a topic to discuss? Is it because they are just entertaining plotwise? All of these? None of these? Elaborate

If you reply to this, it would be great if you stated what you voted for. Any guesses or conclusions are welcome, but make this clear. I want to be able to differ from someone who picked it and someone who didn't. Thanks

voted: seinen Usually more interesting to me. Doesn't matter if it's about death, sex, aliens, war, solitude, mental illness, future, super natural, or anything. It can all be interesting to read about "mature" stuff or someone's take on it, with a good plot

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I think it's fairly obvious that the fujoshi rate on this site is notable. Just looking at the activity on the yaoi/yuri section and the relatively high number of yaoi threads makes it clear.

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I voted for yaoi and it's what I read the most for a few reasons -

1. The men are all attractive, unless they're a side character or a niche character, in which case their personality is attractive in some way. Also, yaoi is not all about the sex. There's a lot of story and characters in this genre too. But there is a lot of sex, which I admit I prefer than the non-sex, but it's not for fapping. It's just for the general perv factor; at least on my part. I've also noticed that yaoi tends to be far less explicit than hentai which is a genre purely for fappage.
2. The vast majority of yaoi series do not exceed one to three volumes, which I really appreciate. I hate nothing more than a thin storyline stretched over multiple volumes (I'm looking at you, shoujo and shounen!). If I'm going to be reading something just for the enjoyment of a perv or something centered around romance, I don't want to be doing it for multiple volumes unless there's some really good plot points going on beside it or the series is genuinely enjoyable.

The other reasons I read yaoi mostly have to do with why I won't read other genres, e.g. too much angst, hideously annoying female characters, ugly artwork, objectionable characters, etc. Apart from yaoi I love sport series. Yup. Shounen and Seinen sport series are my other secret manga love.

Thank you for your honesty Hope more people will join in with their share of thoughts.

Haven't read/seen that much yaoi myself. The ones I have seen/read have either been very graphical, or just a lot of teasing which leaves more for the imagination (seems more appealing to me). But then again, it doesn't excite me personally. Sometimes, the dialogues/ideas/plot can be interesting, but it's not the best place for me to find them I believe. I've usually dropped these series after perhaps 10-20 chapters.
Can't say for sure, however, it seems to me that there are hardly any discrimination in these mangas and more so about the actual relationships/casual romances/personalities, instead of hardships/consequences of actual life so maybe there is a sense of escapism to them too with no strings attached

"The men are all attractive... their personality is attractive" < probably the most decisive factor seeing as most men are idealised in such genres and made to be "perfect" together. Especially if you're going to see them having sex. The art is pretty good. There's a sense of androgyne traits to it too. Yaoi may be very complicated as a topic
What's interesting too.. is.. well.. there is an abscence of women in the relationship. It's not like they are that manly either though. Well, let's say you have a shoujo manga. Then there's a girl. Maybe you can relate to her problems, feel empathy and other stuff together with her (I don't know, but you may get my point). Is there such a thing with yaoi too?

"it's not for fapping" < I see It may depend on the reader though, and if the plot is too interesting which forces you to keep on reading Guess it depends on initial intentions before picking a read.

"Shounen and Seinen sport series are my other secret manga love." < it's not secret anymore - the internet knows now once agian, thank you for sharing

I voted yaoi too. But if you want to learn more about why people read yaoi it would be better to ask these questions in the Yaoi/Yuri forum. Actually there are probably already some posts about this topic, so you can just search for past entries.

It was a difficult choice, I read tons of shoujo, josei and shounen. Shounen, simply cause I enjoyed those works I read the most.

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Although I'm a girl, I read seinen the most. I don't mind the sex/nudity and mature themes. Deepers problems are usually addressed with more maturity in seinen works, which is why I read this genre the most.

Thank you for your tip I've read countless of ideas/thoughts on here from different topics. Some of which were very interesting and mature.
Anyhow, many elements in yaoi seem very shallow/superficial/unreal and even morally questionable, no? I believe ones initial intentions and expectations play a big role to oversee these things.
Well, it is fantasy after all and this is not an attempt to insult anyone's likings. All manga is some sort of escapism so I guess it is alright if it's innocent fun Bothers me a bit that some people that read yaoi are not as open minded as they "should" be though, and may come off as ignorant/insultive because of lack of knowledge and undelicate assumptions Maybe I'm alone in thinking so but maybe that's a maturity thing. I know it is individual

With my mindset, unfortunately, it seems like I doomed to only like certain seinen sometimes shoujo, sometimes shounen, sometimes story-oriented or such that are heavy on "foreplay/teasing" hentai :-)

I do have some questions though, but I'll keep to myself. Sometimes it's better not to know Good luck everyone! And thanks

I have no idea what you're trying to say. What do you mean morally questionable? The actions are morally questionable? Or are you referring to the storytelling? If former, what do you expect of a good story, flowers and butterflies and children running in the meadows? Perhaps you should switch to another genre. If the latter, then could you elaborate?

What do you mean it's fantasy? It's fantasy as a genre? It's not. Unless it happens to be that too. Or do you mean it as sexual fantasy or a not-strictly-sexual fetish? If this, then why are you driving at?

What's with the emoticons? E.g. the angry face after "it is alright if it's innocent fun". Did you just put them there randomly? They're awfully distracting.

Could you specify why you think manga is always escapism? I don't agree with you one bit. And it's not all right if it's not "innocent" fun? Define innocent. And why the hell isn't it all right even if it's not innocent?

What exactly are you referring to with this statement:

Open-minded in what way? Give an example of being ignorant/insultive. What exactly did those "some people" say or do to make you think this? Lack of knowledge about what? Delicate assumptions are better?

What exactly is your "mindset" that includes such broad and vague category of interest?

I find your post to be one of the most vague (and at least on surface, meaningless) I have ever read on this forum. But I'm willing to change my mind if you come up with anything concrete.

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