oh god, just reading the list made my blood boil, lol. the second i come across any of these for either gender i pretty much close the window. done.

i would say that the one that irks me the most, IN MANGA, is the assault/rape played as a joke. assault/rape is a real life thing and is never funny. i wouldn't want someone with an immature mind thinking that it would be hilarious to go and grab some girl's boobs or grab someone's ass. let's keep these incidents in the psychological section and treated seriously.

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yeah you sure missed the point, people are bothered by this
"Falling in love with their rapist "
or this
"Sexual assault/rape portrayed as a joke".
I also read a few works that included rape, but I wasn't bothered by it because it wasn't treated like a joke or love at first ****.

those two things are not reality, unless you show me some girl who thought of the last time being raped as funny (masochists excluded pls) or fell in love with that person.
and let's just not test this because girls should


I'd rather go for the "not" and not depicting rape as something you can do to get a girl (or boy if you like) or something funny...

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W-who wrote this poll?
Half of this shit isn't sexism, it's just shit that is illegal.
And in regards to objectification, when the main target reader is male, that is unavoidable unless you stick to the ones written for girls, where the reverse happens. Jesus.

"Falling in love with their rapist" has always pissed me off though, what the fuck is up with that shit?

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This poll, wow, so bad.

The only thing I particularly hate about a shounen harem is that the guy is never average. By that, I mean he's usually a few leagues below average, but still attracts all these amazing girls, regardless.

Like, the general shounen harem protagonist will usually note through internal monologue that he has no female friends when he introduces himself in volume one. Which is fine, but theeeen you learn through sheer progression in the plot that it seems he also doesn't have any male friends either, or if he does, he has one... at best. So basically, he's a total loser.


That's not average. Average is having a few guys, maybe a few girls, and one solid friend you click with. You may not collectively be the BEST of friends, but you can pass the time with them as a group, conversing at school.


Also, it's such a dumbass, contradiction of a plot point to have this loser character who claims to have no real experience with the opposite sex, HAVE A FUCKING "CHILDHOOD FRIEND" OF THE OPPOSITE SEX! FUCK THE FUCK OFF WITH THAT PLOT POINT!!
Nothing pisses me off more than a "loser protagonist" with a ridiculously attractive "childhood friend" of the opposite sex, lamenting over their 'options'!


And then in flies in the long lost fiancée character!? Kiss my ass with this garbage!

yeah they're all wrong obviously but... i went with falling in love with rapist. it's so common in manga i don't even. in real life that behavior has a name attached to it and it's called the Stockholm Syndrome.

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All of these bother me, whether or not I've read them in manga (but it's in the poll so it exists somewhere in manga realm)

Stockholm syndrome is definitely no joke so I chose that one but sexual assault/harassment/rape portrayed as a joke is just as bad. For guys, let's put sexual assault in perspective before it's no big deal. One way is thinking about how you would feel if you are sexually assaulted and no one cares just because you are a guy? Especially if it's by someone who creeps you out and is in no way attractive.

As for the rest...

A girl to solely exist for love...that just kills me as the most cliche shoujo heroine when I'm living in a world of rising powerful women. This is the type of story I try to avoid the most since it seems to be the most commonly used.

Damsel in distress, equally bad as the one I just mentioned but when paired with "solely exists to be a love interest"...that is overkill

The fangirls...no offense but I don't think that's much of a sexist trope. Girls can be so vicious....but i suppose it's overrepresented

And to anyone who would even choose "sexism still exists?" That's not funny. I hope someone beats you into reality that it's on par with the expression "like beating a dead horse."

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YES! I cannot agree with you more.The saddest part is that it is all so common that when it isn't the case, and you have a positive female character, she comes off as a subversion when she should be the example. Fuck that bullshit.

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I think you mean "anthropomorphization."

Ah well, actually, you're a bit off. My point is, I don't mind her falling in love as much as the others. It's just not my top priority when choosing mangas. Stockholm syndrome apparently, reading the comments, read a few mangas that fits but wasn't half bad. Case by case I suppose, so it's not as much a deal for me. For example, I'd hate girls falling in love with someone who obviously been bullying her, like that Hana Yori Dango. That one's still one of the worst mangas managing in putting me in a bad mood after finishing. The trope itself, I don't mind as much. As for jokes, to this point I have no idea what exactly counts. Like you said, from memory I can't recall where it was seriously portrayed as a gag. From the start, I doubt I read those, comedy, more like gag, is still my least fav genre. If it wasn't a comedy manga, it'll probably be case by case again.

My comment was a general thought about rape, for myself. Don't take it too personal. I just don't mind rape when it comes to mangas. At least, not as much as others. It's not in my list of excluded mangas.

Pretty sure Badkarma was being tongue-in-cheek with that post.

(At least, I found it amusing...)

Yeah, figured that too. Just giving the proper term.

Although I cannot morally agree with a majority of what your stance on the matter is (but given that it sounds like your stance is due to how you view manga as a medium of fantasy and fiction that does not hold influence on your reality, I can understand it only on a rational manner); I just want to comment on my agreement on Hana Yori Dango. Worst manga ever and I don't have the slightest idea why it was such a huge hit to the point of being adapted into a drama multiple times.

While there surely are more serious options, like the sexual assault portrayed as a joke one, I voted for objectification.
Why? Because the other ones may be serious but I don't see them THAT often, while the objectification is basically everywhere. It's the whole point of the existence of the ecchi genre. And you'll find it even in non ecchi works very frequently. The "falling-on-breasts-gag" is more oriented towards the idea of objectification than the one of funny sexual assault. It can be really subtle, and this can be even worse because we tend to absorb some concepts without realizing it ourselves.
Seeing a woman as an object is what leads to all the other tropes in the end. It's not only in manga, it's in every media ever. It's what makes the world run, beside money.

I'm even more bothered by many of the answers in this thread: the ones I saw more where about how this poll was sexist, how men are subjected to discrimination too, how there are only crazy feminists and politically correct people etc.
Come on! If you really believe that men and women receive the same amount of discrimination you haven't seen half of it yet; since the very beginning the world has been run by men, women are finally acquiring their rights (and this process is far to be over in many Countries), but they still can't obtain an even more important thing: a change in the mentality of the average person.
Why are many of you so opposed to support women rights? Scared of the growing competition? Well, deal with it, it's called progress.


Yes, I'm a guy.


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Aww... I was going to say the exact same things! So I guess I'll just quote this comment and be done, even though that makes me seem lazy, because repetition is unnecessary.

But just another thing: the third from last isn't really sexist, it's something that happens very often IRL. Fangirls are not the nicest of people, and they tend to be terribly superficial, nasty, vapid and narrow-minded. Not to say that fanboys can't be the same, but there are considerably less fanboys in the world than fangirls, right? Though the fact that fanboys are never depicted in a bad light while fangirls always are is somewhat sexist, it's nowhere near as OTT as the other options here.

I wonder how many who voted for the last option were women. Hopefully, none at all. Not that I'd ever want to know any of the men who picked that one, either.