Lol it was obvious people were going to whine about the SJW. :I People, it's not social justice itself that's the annoying problem. Annoying people just happen to be prevalent everywhere, and often in neo-social justice. Sure, there are a lot of shitheads on tumblr, but you're not helping the problem if you automatically assume that all social justice-y stuff deserves to be dismissed as "BS". No, you're contributing to the problem. It's people like you that extremist SJWs feel the need to be so radical. We're talking about actual sexism here, not misandry or neo-feminism.

Like it or not, there are problematic things in manga. Female characters should not exist just to be accessories or to just be rescued. It's 2014--wake up and realize that rape jokes are not funny. No matter what characters are involved, rape and abuse should not be romanticized, and apology rape is trash (apology rape is like when they go "no no no YES" which is like basically most of Japanese porn unfortunately; when they make excuses for rape like "but A loves B", or the victim forgives their rapist too soon). The poll itself isn't triggering so I have no flipping clue what you're complaining about by getting your nutsack in a twist. People are more distressed by reading problematic stuff appearing in manga than you are distressed by seeing the poll whenever you visit. Get over yourself.

Japan "not being as "progressive" as the west" is NOT a good thing. They should be about at least half as progressive, minus the misandrists and morons and "trigender pyrofox foxselves". Everything is about balance.

That the "sexism still exists?" option is at 10.3% is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Of course sexism still exists. Not just for women, either. There's sexism against men, too. :/

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That's the thing. Heteronormativity and traditional gender roles are so deeply ingrained into Japanese culture that it's depressing. < _> Well, if they manage to breed at all, what with their lifestyles and men living at the office and commuting to home. Especially if you're not in a big city.
I'm studying in Tokyo right now, and lemme tell you that it pisses me off when my teachers just assume I'm straight and that I want a boyfriend to get married to and whatnot. :I (Granted, I kinda do wanna get married here, but mostly because I just want a spouse visa so I can work here lmao--kinda impossible to get a freelance character design job to sponsor your visa. but it friggin sucks that my choices in spouses got cut in half)

Nowadays, the gender of the breadwinners in N. America are more balanced (though I hear it's leaning towards women statistically in the US, because of the massive lay-offs in fields that are typically occupied by men. I don't know about Canada, but I noticed that it's rather balanced there).

Luckily, the "but you're a girl" is a lot rarer these days. More commonly, "you hit like a girl", which I don't actually have much of a problem with, but tumblr loves to complain about it. heh.
Hm, I have to say what's been bugging me more as of recent is "don't cry, you're a boy!" Psh. Allen Walker from D.Gray-man is one of the most mentally strong characters I've ever known, and he cries even more than the heroine in that series (tbf, 95% of the time he's crying for someone else, the stupid martyr).

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Wooow. lambchopsil, can you turn on a logging feature and just ban the fucking 10% of voters that voted "What? Sexism still exists?" They are pretty clearly the most sexist bastards on this website.

watch any lars von trier film

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when people assume that latino/as ONLY speak spanish and don't know any english, that is discriminatory and reprehensible.

when people assume that latino/as speak spanish at all when they don't, it's annoying but not necessarily discriminatory. just people making assumptions based on your appearance. not every hispanic person is the child of an immigrant. some of us have been here for generations and unfortunately the language fell through the cracks.

just speak english first, and if you find that the person is having trouble communicating, find someone to translate or do your best if you know some spanish. best rule of thumb.

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what bothers me about "you hit like a girl" is that it implies that i won't knock you out if i get mad at you.

because i will '-'

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Honestly, this is horrid as a single-choice poll. If I had to choose the tropes that are the absolutely #1 worst, I think I would only skip out on "Falling in love with their rapist" because it exists almost exclusively in hentai, and obviously "What? Sexism still exists?"

Sexism is pretty much the thing that makes me not enjoy manga and anime more. The lack of meaningful female characters, or them existing solely for the sake of being eye candy/for male protagonist/damsel in distress, the objectification. It's gotten to a point where I forgive many shows and manga the pantyshots and bath scenes, simply because if I didn't, there would be nothing for me to enjoy.

Even shoujo manga is awfully sexist, the anime/manga(/Japanese?) culture is so, so, so raging sexist, that no one even considers the possibility that women enjoy anything different than stories of princes on white horses, and that they are all weak and fragile beings at heart, who hate playing strong, ah~

Ehhh :/

Well to me sexism is a view that one gender is superior to another, it doesn't necessarily have to motivate a crime, though in many cases it eventually will. However, it goes beyond sexual harassment and assault (though of course these usually can be examples of sexism depending on the situation, not in all situations since rape also occurs in same-sex relationships), meaning little acts of injustices contribute, though not as much, to making one gender seem inferior to others.
To state an example, let's use "the damsel in distress". Damsel in distress --> useless girl(s) --> boys are strong, a.k.a. must protect girls --> Boys job is to protect --> Girls must please boys if they want to ensure their own protection --> Girls. Must. Satisfy. Boys. --> Rape, assault.
Yes, it seems far-fetched. Yes, it seems exaggerated to make a big deal out of this. But our society works like this, and out of little things come the big things. If we want to be fighting against rape, we need to also fight against the things that lead to it.
And as a matter of fact, I have seen fujoshi forums and their objectifications and pedophilia comments and statements, and I am in no way in favour of that. That's actually the reason I stopped reading yaoi. Anyhow, the uke in yaoi mangas is usually portrayed as "the girl", therefore adopting actions and tastes usually assigned to the female gender. You could pretty much say they are girls with different bits, which would ultimately come down as sexism against women all the same.

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I am still reading the thread so I apologize if some already said this but I agree with you entirely. Rape is NOT about sex. It is about POWER. So try looking that those scenes again with that fact in mind.

Question about objectification of males and females. Do shirtless scenes of men count has objectification? If so then HSDK PROBABLY has equal amounts fanservice for Men and woman because in addition to all of the fanservice scenes with chesty girls, there are also ALOT of scenes of a shirtless Kenichi.

I also feel the need to point out that there are AT LEAST two kinds of feminism. One kind known as equality feminism believes that women and men should NOT be rtreated any differntly. If you do a good job you get rewarded. If you do a bad job you in trouble. If you break the law you get punished. In short with equality feminism what sexual organs you have DO NOT MATTER.
Another kind is the protection feminism, which states that women need special treatment to survive in a society controlled by men. The problem with that is that, rather then just acknowledging that women have been victimized, it creates a culture of victim hood that paints women as helpless and ACTUALLY reinforcing the stereotype that feminism is supposed to fight against.

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My skin's dark enough that not everyone could tell if I was Hispanic or not, so I experienced both assumptions from both sides. Whether I was speaking to the Hispanic majority or one of the minority races, and whether they assumed I only spoke Spanish or English (or, occasionally, Japanese), I would at most just have to say, "I speak English/Spanish too, if you prefer it".

To condemn these people as "discriminatory and reprehensible" for such a trivial inconvenience when they were only trying to make communication easier for me seems disproportionately harsh.

The whole concept of railing against thoughtcrime in fiction is American. And I don't believe I mentioned your godking, so why do you bring him up?