The fourth IS Naruto's father.
Pein is not the fourth or Naruto's brother.
Karin is not Naruto's mother or sister.
Obito had his side with the eye crushed under a mountain, he is dead.
Tobi is NOT Obito.
Also, hair styles being the same. Saying the hair is the same is saying you finally notice that the mangaka can only draw like 5 hair styles. All spikey and standing.
As for the eye, it is a mask. So who knows?
There is NO evidence pointing to him, there never has. Only speculation that readers take out of context because they desparately desire to believe that random characters are lovers/blood related/best friends from 30 years ago who all died.
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Let hope you don't have to eat those words when/if we find out Tobi= Obito
I personally think the chances are slim, but I wouldn't dismiss it as definite.... given the way the mangaka writes his stories.... that twist wouldn't be entirely unbelievable.
I personally think the chances are slim, but I wouldn't dismiss it as definite.... given the way the mangaka writes his stories.... that twist wouldn't be entirely unbelievable.
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what im saying is that danzou is really tobi and danzou is possessed by madara. i don't think tobi is anything but a cover
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the only thing i can think of is that madara has the power like orachimaru and can switch bodies and he got a hold of obitos body and he went into his but everytime he switches bodies he becomes weaker as itachi said that the this madara is a weaker shell but of course thats just my guess..
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Based on all the obvious speculation, it would be a twist for Tobi not to be Obito. You know, the whole one eye and a mask thing, along with the Obito side story and the Obi[tobi]to name thing, could just be put there to make you think it's Obito. A plot twist is one where you think it's one thing and it turns out to be something else that still has significance so in the end you smack yourself in the head and yell "why didn't I think of that!?".
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Based on all the obvious speculation, it would be a twist for Tobi not to be Obito. You know, the whole one eye and a mask thing, along with the Obito side story and the Obi[tobi]to name thing, could just be put there to make you think it's Obito. A plot twist is one where you think it's one thing and it turns out to be something else that still has significance so in the end you smack yourself in the head and yell "why didn't I think of that!?".
I take no side in this argument. I do not claim to know the answer.
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I agree with this person.
cause thats basically what i think, as well.
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Well, let's look at the mangaka himself. Everything that would be mysterious (i.e. the toads that trained Jiraiya) is only mysterious because we don't know anything about these subjects. For everything else, he's been fairly predictable.
Before it was confirmed, people felt that the Fourth couldn't be Narutos father because it was "too predictable". But guess what? That's what appeared on the pages. Any person in the world could have been the father, but the most predictable choice of all was chosen. If you consider this, it's fairly probable that Tobi is, at the least, Madara who is using Obito's body solely based on the fact that it would be "predictable". Also, for those who said that Obito was dead or his body too injured, It's easy to come up with some convoluted technique that would allow this to happen so that's not really a good argument for such a manga.
On the other hand, after thinking about it, it's also possible that Danzou is Tobi. Itachi mentioned that Madara was not as strong as he once was, so perhaps he has aged and weakened even though he is "immortal". Tobi has a hole for his right eye and Danzou conspicuously keeps his right eye covered with bandages. Again, this would be a "predictable" result, or at least, not really surprising since Danzou was suspicious to begin with.
The remaining possibilities are that Tobi is Madara possessing a random person, Madara as an old person, or Madara in his prime. The first two are unlikely as they would have no meaning to either the reader or the characters, while the last seems unlikely as Itachi mentioned Madara as "pathetic" and not having achieved "true immortality", if you check ch.386.
P.S. Sorry for the long post, I doubt many people read it...but oh well.
Before it was confirmed, people felt that the Fourth couldn't be Narutos father because it was "too predictable". But guess what? That's what appeared on the pages. Any person in the world could have been the father, but the most predictable choice of all was chosen. If you consider this, it's fairly probable that Tobi is, at the least, Madara who is using Obito's body solely based on the fact that it would be "predictable". Also, for those who said that Obito was dead or his body too injured, It's easy to come up with some convoluted technique that would allow this to happen so that's not really a good argument for such a manga.
On the other hand, after thinking about it, it's also possible that Danzou is Tobi. Itachi mentioned that Madara was not as strong as he once was, so perhaps he has aged and weakened even though he is "immortal". Tobi has a hole for his right eye and Danzou conspicuously keeps his right eye covered with bandages. Again, this would be a "predictable" result, or at least, not really surprising since Danzou was suspicious to begin with.
The remaining possibilities are that Tobi is Madara possessing a random person, Madara as an old person, or Madara in his prime. The first two are unlikely as they would have no meaning to either the reader or the characters, while the last seems unlikely as Itachi mentioned Madara as "pathetic" and not having achieved "true immortality", if you check ch.386.
P.S. Sorry for the long post, I doubt many people read it...but oh well.
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basically danzou and tobi both have mysterious eye coverings/openings. also we know nothing about rin other than it's implied she died("everyone i cared for is dead").
also tobi has been addressed as madara, said he has his power, and acted like the noob in akatsuki for a while.
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also tobi has been addressed as madara, said he has his power, and acted like the noob in akatsuki for a while.
nnneeeeeddd more infoooooooo kinshiiiimmmooottoooooooo
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Based on all the obvious speculation, it would be a twist for Tobi not to be Obito. You know, the whole one eye and a mask thing, along with the Obito side story and the Obi[tobi]to name thing, could just be put there to make you think it's Obito.
Yes, it's true that the names Obito and Tobi are similar, but I thought that in Japanese or whatever language Naruto is being published, that the Hiragana characters (or whatever it is ) don't look alike, at all.
So, I'm saying that the names only look similar when Romanized.
Also the fact that Tobi is playful might indicate that it is Obito's body that is being used, since Obito is kind of like that. And I can't see Danzou, a grumpy old man, serious to the bone, acting like an idiot.
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the way itachi described madara being a pathetic old man (this may vary for each scanlators) makes it sound very plausible that he may be controlling obito's corpse as tobi from afar. the only downfall with this theory is that it's repetitive. we already have pein for that department...
another possibility as to why he conceals one of his eyes would be over the act of simple vanity or at most, a way to seal his true capabilities of sort, just as how kakashi would conceal his sharingan to conserve energy.
another theory is something i've taken from another manga, Dai's adventure. it's farfetched and uncommonly seen (by me) in manga, but it's as logical for it to happen in the world of naruto to consider it as a possibility:
as much as i like this one, it, however as i mentioned earlier, feels too farfetched...
another possibility as to why he conceals one of his eyes would be over the act of simple vanity or at most, a way to seal his true capabilities of sort, just as how kakashi would conceal his sharingan to conserve energy.
another theory is something i've taken from another manga, Dai's adventure. it's farfetched and uncommonly seen (by me) in manga, but it's as logical for it to happen in the world of naruto to consider it as a possibility:
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in dai's adventure, Vearn splitted himself in two, one his physical body, the other his spiritual body, to ensure total immortality. his physical body is conserved and protected from any outside damage, while his spiritual body is used most of the time, despite its vulnerability to damage, he however cannot die unless both his body merges which results in him being at full power. (oh, yes. i know how it ends)
my point? what if the same can be said about madara? splitting himself in 2, to achieve immortality (seeing how he's still alive after more than 70 - 80 years) where one is conserved and kept safe while the other is free to roam with no worries of getting damaged at the expense of having your power cut in half. it may even explain why he would have one eye, whereas the other is stuck with the other half...
my point? what if the same can be said about madara? splitting himself in 2, to achieve immortality (seeing how he's still alive after more than 70 - 80 years) where one is conserved and kept safe while the other is free to roam with no worries of getting damaged at the expense of having your power cut in half. it may even explain why he would have one eye, whereas the other is stuck with the other half...
as much as i like this one, it, however as i mentioned earlier, feels too farfetched...
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Based on all the obvious speculation, it would be a twist for Tobi not to be Obito. You know, the whole one eye and a mask thing, along with the Obito side story and the Obi[tobi]to name thing, could just be put there to make you think it's Obito.
Yes, it's true that the names Obito and Tobi are similar, but I thought that in Japanese or whatever language Naruto is being published, that the Hiragana characters (or whatever it is ) don't look alike, at all.
So, I'm saying that the names only look similar when Romanized.
Also the fact that Tobi is playful might indicate that it is Obito's body that is being used, since Obito is kind of like that. And I can't see Danzou, a grumpy old man, serious to the bone, acting like an idiot.
dr love you have fought me on this since i first proposed it, but i still believe danzou is the most logical choice
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ok unless the anime is going to deviate from the manga there is no way that tobi would be obito nor would he be using obitos body if anything i belive that tobi wuold be using his brothers body but that is highly unlikely itachi said he is immortal but he never said in what way the most suitable way i can see would be as some sort of genjutsu which would explain why any physical attack would go threw him but that doesnt quite fit seeing as how hinata saw that the chakra was being emitted from that body all we can do is wait and see what the new power of the eye is
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There is a drastic flaw in the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-other-half-go t-crushed" argument. Simply 'cause if thats true he would be dead instantly. Not been able to talk, think, breathe etc. Half his head is half his brain.
Then you could say: "Yes but the rocks only crushed his eye, not the brain." Well, 1st of all that is stupid speculation, 2nd the human eye is probably one of the last things that would be crushed in this situation 'cause of the way the skull is formed. Than you could speculate that there was some sharp objects from that rock poking his eye lol.
The 2nd flaw is the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-whole-body-g ot-buried-and-crushed" argument. If you look at the space that allowed Obito to be crushed more, the stones wouldn't be big enough to do that. The correct thing to say would be something like: "He will be crushed because of the pressure over time."
I would like Madara to use his body for the drama, but on the other hand simply just be himself 'cause of the realistic feel. In the end I don't mind much. I want Kishi to surprise me.
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Then you could say: "Yes but the rocks only crushed his eye, not the brain." Well, 1st of all that is stupid speculation, 2nd the human eye is probably one of the last things that would be crushed in this situation 'cause of the way the skull is formed. Than you could speculate that there was some sharp objects from that rock poking his eye lol.
The 2nd flaw is the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-whole-body-g ot-buried-and-crushed" argument. If you look at the space that allowed Obito to be crushed more, the stones wouldn't be big enough to do that. The correct thing to say would be something like: "He will be crushed because of the pressure over time."
I would like Madara to use his body for the drama, but on the other hand simply just be himself 'cause of the realistic feel. In the end I don't mind much. I want Kishi to surprise me.
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didnt his body get crushed ? thats wat was on the manga ...
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There is a drastic flaw in the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-other-half-go t-crushed" argument. Simply 'cause if thats true he would be dead instantly. Not been able to talk, think, breathe etc. Half his head is half his brain.
Then you could say: "Yes but the rocks only crushed his eye, not the brain." Well, 1st of all that is stupid speculation, 2nd the human eye is probably one of the last things that would be crushed in this situation 'cause of the way the skull is formed. Than you could speculate that there was some sharp objects from that rock poking his eye lol.
The 2nd flaw is the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-whole-body-g ot-buried-and-crushed" argument. If you look at the space that allowed Obito to be crushed more, the stones wouldn't be big enough to do that. The correct thing to say would be something like: "He will be crushed because of the pressure over time."
I would like Madara to use his body for the drama, but on the other hand simply just be himself 'cause of the realistic feel. In the end I don't mind much. I want Kishi to surprise me.
Then you could say: "Yes but the rocks only crushed his eye, not the brain." Well, 1st of all that is stupid speculation, 2nd the human eye is probably one of the last things that would be crushed in this situation 'cause of the way the skull is formed. Than you could speculate that there was some sharp objects from that rock poking his eye lol.
The 2nd flaw is the "Tobi-can't-be-Obito-'cause-his-whole-body-g ot-buried-and-crushed" argument. If you look at the space that allowed Obito to be crushed more, the stones wouldn't be big enough to do that. The correct thing to say would be something like: "He will be crushed because of the pressure over time."
I would like Madara to use his body for the drama, but on the other hand simply just be himself 'cause of the realistic feel. In the end I don't mind much. I want Kishi to surprise me.
all i know is im pretty sure you said that the fourth being narutos father was a stupid theory also. nah but i could see this happening, its not like kishimoto has to rewrite the story that much this happen.
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