I'm sexually attracted to little girls. So what? Doesn't mean I'd touch one in real life lol

#YesLoliconNoTouch

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Everyone should read 1984. At least there i agree. Now to my point.
This was once a 16 year old girl(not quite loli but it will surface) who once had a life but then was abducted and raped/tortured to death in japan by a bunch of school boys. This is her story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

There exists a seinen manga that fails at the end a bit but does her story justice and lets us remember: 17-sai.
But there exist this doujinshi also: Shin Gendai Ryoukiden
It turn her death into torture porn. A real porno based on her death also exists named "Concrete-Encased High School Girl Murder Case"(the cover was enough for me).
So the "sickest loli/shota manga/anime ever made" does exist.
But lets not turn racist. Let´s think on a global level. So now that we have gone from a discussion from fictional child pornography to Hitler as all conversations tend to do let´s look at this example. I am german by the way and my Afro-Russians roots would have send me to the ovens too. We even had a Neo-nazi riot 2 weeks ago in Cologne. Joy oh joy.
This is the crown jewel of the worst thing that japan came up with but the internet(read the international community) funded. This one is completely Loli related(i hate shota equaly):
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-this-one-kickstart er-proves-humanity-doomed/
Let´s all masturbate to the Holocauts you all and don´t get me even started on RapeLay.

So while i think that freedom of speech should protect these "things"(not from getting sued by the relatives of course) i really think that we as a species doom ourself by the acceptance of the market by it. Am i curious where the future will lead us.
Here is a taste of things to come. If this one doesn´t make me "proud" to be a Tekken fan and PS4 owner then it´s sempai-dlc shure will .
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/01/summer-lesson-sony-proj ect-morpheus/

Could someone please psychoanalyze my pull list too. Where is my weak link

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I remember reading about the Junko Furuta case way back... must have been 10 years ago. Too bad that it is, in this particular case, pretty much completely unrelated to the discussion at hand. That some bastard had the gall to make exploitative crap out such a monstrous case is a base and low thing to do, but...

All of your examples involving real life issues have the reversed order though. The fictional works are based on the real life happenings, not the other way around. There is nothing even remotely indicative that some fictional work would have spurred on those crimes (Mein Kampf does not count).

Insensitive, sure. Something to be proud of? No. Actually harmful to someone not directly related to the issues themselves via mental trauma etc? Also no.

As for the summer lesson thing... Man, that one gave me a laugh when I saw it for the first time. Virtual perving? What about it? 'tis far healthier than the IRL option, if that is what happens to float your boat.

HAHAHA! Too right!



#Notouch? If that remains the case from here 'till eternity (and you have no reason to assume that it wouldn't), why? Why would that person need help of any kind?

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You do need help though. Professional help.

For the note, I'm a no/no because I respect people's freedom of expression. But I don't mind if lolicons are put on a list. A keep on eye list just to be safe.

I never said that bad media leads to real world violence and i just want to show how hard freedom of speech sometimes is do defend. That VR-thing will do wonders to the glorious japanese birthrate. I am pretty shure that next week will need no new poll.
I am also pretty shure that none of us will be able to run for any kind of office again.

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Thus there is nothing to stop that from being illegal, due to it counting as something like slander (not slander, but something along those lines ...and more serious, I'd think).

As Baalzebup said, that's connected to real people and real life events. Thus it is irrelevant to this discussion.

There are several problems with your criticism:
* Nazi-based porn is common. Made in pretty much every country. Why any of that should be considered to be supportive of the Nazis, or anything, I do not understand. Just because people like to make fiction with nazi's, doesn't mean that they like the nazi's or that they trivialize the Holocaust. Do you also find Raiders of the Lost Ark, Inglourious Basterds and Iron Sky to be offensive as well?
* The cracked article describes the game as porn. I assure you, it isn't. Yes all the cards have sexy babes on them (and no, they are not all nazis. After all, if there only one side, who are you supposed to fight against?). Yes they are often scantily clad (but nevertheless clad), and there are some panty-shots here and there ...but it is definitely not porn.
* It's a good game. As long as you don't let the fan-service bother you, it is a good, fun and well constructed game.

Why?
Most people don't like, or accept, loli/shota.
Some do, but it doesn't really harm anyone, so it's not really a significant issue.

There is no need to look at any lists.
Your avatar is from Berserk.
Berserk has pretty much everything.
In spades.
It's one of my favourites, but man does it contain some sick shit...

Is the fact that we accept Berserk, a sign that we doom ourselves?
I'd argue the opposite: Things like Berserk, are to be praised.
Your average loli/shota hentai, however, should most certainly not, but neither are they any reason to despair for humanity. It's harmless. It's just a sign that humanity is not perfect. Not that perfection is even possible, in any case.

The only thing I find hard, is convincing those who oppose it.
I have no qualms about defending the right to express sick and terrible things.
Why should I?

"again"!?
I had no idea that several people here, had been elected officials!

You mentioned the holocaust. Oy vey! Let the 6 million tears flow...

Well, back to the point: Imagine you're christian and see some porn where Jesus sodomizes Maria. God help us! Or you're muslim and see a towelheaded Muhammad cartoon. Allahu snackbar! Or you're black and see some post on the internet where it says black people should go back to picking cotton. Oh lawdies! You see my point?

If speech isn't offensive, nobody would try to get it banned. That's why "freedom of speech" is worthless if it doesn't include offensive speech as well.

edit: According to German media, everyone who waves a German flag and is against muslim extremists is a nazi. That doesn't say much.



Why? And what help? There is no cure for pedophilia lol



That'd violate our privacy rights.



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Is the card game really better or worse(i read my links too) because it is not a "real" porno ? I actually see this thing as something horrible and it proves that we learned nothing from our history BUT i admire that we live in a world where one can just release something like it and not be put into prison.
I never have a problem with a nazi protagonist but you need to put it into historic content. Stupid sexy Loli-Hitler doesn´t do that. Tarantino sure did.
If i just put an arbitrary age number(isn´t this what american adaptations often do) on the head of a shota hero is then everything ok ? Lets´s say i change Furuta name and facts. Have i as writer then won the moral battle ? What about Comic LO ?
That is more then one lone rebel drawing and posting naked younglings on the web.
That is as professional as you get. I also get it that actual child hentai is not a leading force on the market but i find it highly interesting how in your face it´s existence is.
While i still don´t get what my favorite series(only the first 5 pages are indefensible within)has become a leitmotiv of this thread about shota and loli i also don´t understand why noone is bringing up something at least vaguely important to the conversation.
Her name is Rosine and i am SO prepared.
Has mattw895 said his piece about the topic he started ? He is responsible for half my posts i wrote on the taxpayers time. Working for the man is the best !

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Wow, what a controversial topic. Banning is inelegant. If you want to obscure something, better not tell the world they're banned. Too bad I don't have idea how they're better treated.

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Because it's a psychiatric disorder.



I never mention of any cure whatsoever.

But there are treatment.

Cognitive behavioral therapy, behavioral interventions, pharmacological interventions, and maybe for some people, castration (this is the right time to lol because it actually works).



You mean in the US?

Because it's not like that on 90% of the world.

And even then privacy right doesn't protect you from information gathering of public site. Such as mangaupdate. So the earlier coming out thing was probably not a good idea.

Yeah, like homosexuality, hysteria and nymphomania.



Nothing of yh


You mean in the US?

Because it's not like that on 90% of the world.

And even then privacy right doesn't protect you from information gathering of public site. Such as mangaupdate. So the earlier coming out thing was probably not a good idea.[/quote]


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Yeah, like homosexuality, hysteria and nymphomania.



Just fyi, that are "treatments" for compulsive sex criminals regardless of sexual orientation. Since I don't feel the urge of raping people, this obviously isn't for me.



Eh, I don't care if some random people on the internet know that I'm a pedo.

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In terms of being a card game:
No.
The pictures do not effect how good a game it is.

As an object that is offensive or sexualizing:
Yes.
That does make it better or worse. How could it possibly not do so?

Again I ask:
Why?
What is the problem, here?
It is neither ignoring, trivializing or praising what happened in WWII.

Why?

You mean the series that includes, for example, graphic depictions of the rape of a young boy?
As I said, it's one of my favourites too, but... It's got naked lolis and shotas, in sexual acts. It's got brutal rape. It's got pretty much everything you can think of.

Towelheaded? I do hope you mean an actual towel, in the cartoon (to make it more offensive), rather than you referring to muslim headgear, or muslims, with the slur of "towelhead"

LOL! I'm stealing that!

Indeed.
Why didn't I make that point myself?

No it doesn't.
Just waving a German flag does not, by itself, make you viewed as a nazi or racist.
Nor does being against muslim extremism. Most Germans, including pretty much all politicians (pretty much only members of the infamous NPD, are seen as racist/nazi), journalists, average Germans and, indeed, most German muslims, are all against muslim extremism.
Yet only a rare few of those are viewed as racist.
Thus the notion that just being against muslim extremism is enough to make you labelled as racist/nazi, is clearly wrong.

Those you claim to be against muslim extremism, but who actually show that they are against muslims, in general, and against people who (for the lack of a better term) "look Middle Eastern" (note: the vast majority of Middle Easterners are not extremists ..and plenty of them aren't even muslim. Furthermore, most muslims are not Middle Easterners)...
Those people are viewed as racist.

There are plenty of conditions for which no cure exists, but which nevertheless require professional help and for which there are plenty of treatments, ways of managing it and dealing with it.

Homosexuality is not a disorder you asshole!

Hysteria is a colloquial term, with no precise or scientific meaning. It generally refers to a perfectly normal, natural, temporary state of panic and confusion, which is by no means any sign of a disorder, but rather something that every human is prone to. To call it a disorder, is utterly ludicrous.

As to nymphomania/satyriasis, that is indeed a disorder. Anyone who has nymphomania/satyriasis need professional help and there are several treatments.