It should be illegal and banned. Little kids should not be sexualized, that's disgusting. Not cool. You wouldn't look at real children, would you?

Why?
It doesn't involve harming anyone. It doesn't harm anyone. It doesn't assist in harming anyone. It doesn't influence anyone towards harming anyone.

Not cool? That's the standard for what should be legal or not, in your opinion?

What about murder, then? That's hardly any better than child molestation, now is it?
There is a lot of murder in various manga/movies/tv shows/books/games.
Should that been banned too?

In a sexual way, you mean?
No.
...but we're not talking about a ban on pornography involving actual real life children or sexually abusing/raping children (there's hardly anyone who wouldn't agree that such things should be illegal).

We're talking about completely fictional characters.
Drawings.
Lines on paper or pixels on a screen.

Holy shit, please split that monstrous wall of text into paragraphs or nobody's gonna read that.




Acually, most countries still have homosexuality listed as a mental disorder. Just not the liberal West.

You could still make the case for classifying things like homosexuality or transgenderism as disorders, citing their harmful effects such as lower life expectancy and suicide rates. Indeed, that is exactly what the former president of the American psychiatric association did a while ago (and subsequently got massively criticized from the media).

The bottomline is, that what constitutes a mental disorder and what does not is a more or less arbitrary decision that is more influenced by politics and lobbyism than anything else.



In other words, what the media tells you about them. The media lies. Wake up.



Oh, he for sure would feel distress from being incarcerated and/or facing execution if he can't help himself from murdering people.



Well yes, that exactly means it isn't for me since neither myself nor anyone else experiences any negative effects from my sexual fetish. So "treating" it would be nonsensical.

Also fyi, the only non-criminals who are subjected to these "treatments" are people who voluntarily ask for medical help since they are distressed by their sexual urges.

For the other nonsense you posted, see above.



But of course, I do it all the time. There's nothing better than cute RL lolis



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Actually, no. Pedophilia is considered a mental illness, not a learned behavior. (If you don't believe me, I recommend looking up some pedophilia support groups -- groups where people who, against their will, were born with an innate attraction to prepubescent children, who hate that they have these attractions, and who are actively working to overcome them.) Of course, anything can inspire people with ideas to do things they might not otherwise have thought to do. The difference here is that those with pedophilic inclinations suffer from an attraction whereas those inspired by depictions of child abuse are merely attracted to the power aspect of the crime. And since that's the case, then shouldn't we also ban works depicting murder, rape, and similarly deplorable crimes, since they, too, might make people "want to do it in real life"?

In any case, the question wasn't, "Do you find shota/loli morally reprehensible?" It was, "Do you think it should be illegal?" Me, I don't like it. But to ban it would be extremely dangerous, the first step onto a slippery slope to absolute censorship, suppression, and, ultimately, control.

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Lolita is Nabokov's best-known work and one of the greatest literary accomplishments of the past century. Discarding your opinions on loli/shota in general, for a person on a site centered around reading to even suggest banning such a monumental literary classic is, quite honestly, astounding to me.

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Nah, too much straw man for one day, Mr. Fallacy Galore.

You have absolutely no authority to tell this person that they need help. Having a fetish is not the same as committing a sex crime.



This is akin to saying, "I don't mind if the Japanese are put in camps. A 'keep an eye on' camp just to be safe." Or, "I don't mind if perceived communists are blacklisted, just to be safe." Very, very dangerous way of thinking.

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Yeah, you go ahead and tell that to kids who've been sexually abused and see what they say?

I said nothing about them learning from reading it Just reading it might fuel them to act upon their desire. I suggest you go to those same support groups and ask them what they have stashed away on their computer? Some of them do read. Matter of fact go to a foster care and listen to some of those children's stories.



Yes.

I'd gladly give up reading my favorite books/tv shows and rights if it means protecting children. I seriously think our world is getting a bit out of hand, and it's sad that people just accept it because they don't want censorship. You'll never understand unless a child you know becomes a victim of sexual abuse and see how much you'd care then. See how it changes that innocent child and there is nothing you can do to heal them completely.

Learn reading comprehension? I wasn't talking about the book in that sentence. The guy who quoted me asked me to look it up and then I asked if it would change my mind.

If the book is about some adults sexual attraction to a child, then I'll never read it. I would probably proceed to throwing it in the trash, if I decide to give it a try.

Actually, porn addiction can make you attracted to lots of weird stuff. Including (but not limited to) child porn, bestiality, rape, torture, snuff, scat etc. I suppose there is a difference between this and true pedophilia though.



Why just children? What about adults? I never understood this "but the chilluns" argument. If an adult gets murdered or raped, that's just as bad.

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Uhhuh. And have you anything even resembling conclusive scientific proof that them reading such material had anything to do with the formulation of such desires? You know what, I'll just quote myself from a similar topic:



All your posts are emotionally charged, actually overtly so. You have decided, adamantly, that something you don't like is BADBADBADBADBAD and throw out baseless conjecture and sympathy hooks to forward an agenda that would cause more harm than help.

Then there is the little hole in your deductions and moralizing that Shiratori just pointed out. If you are so convinced that loli/shota hentai is causing more victims of child molestation, then why wouldn't other depictions of other criminal activity cause equal increase in other crime and thus, should we not ban absolutely all depictions of anything even remotely criminal? After all, you might end up wanting to murder someone cuz of that one series you just watched.

Fuck, read up on this little fellow Gilles de Rais. An associate of one Jean d'ark, as it happens. Kinda flipped his shit after Jean went to her god. Didn't need any loli/shota hentai to trigger his crazy, did he? Maybe, if he had some really 'effed up guro-hentai nearby, he would have been sated with just that?

And yeah, I really have heard pretty fucking dark things that happen to children. One of my parents happens to have worked in the local social and health ministry and other similar outfits for the most of his/her career and the focus of that work has been on abused and mistreated children. I bet I've heard, and seen, worse than you (hopefully) ever will.

Doesn't still make me want to ban any of this 100% fictional material. I save my wrath for the people who actually harm someone.

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I'm being completely biased and I have no problem admitting it. Scientific evidence? I don't see any from you..? Even if you did have it; still wouldn't turn me away from the truth. I don't need scientific evidence, I believe in what I can see right in front of me. Science is like another religion to me. People just making up stuff out of thin air. Like evolution and the planets age? But please, give me evidence that you don't know if these 100% fictional characters aren't really based on real people?



I already answered this. What holes? Get rid of it all if that's what it takes to protect people.

That's the problem. It doesn't harm people lol

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I get what you're trying to say. It's the same with the phase, "Guns don't hurt people, the one pulling the trigger does." or however it goes. I don't believe guns should be made illegal fyi but that's a different discussion for another time.

EDIT: Okay, how about this. If the main focus of the manga or book or whatever is loli / shota then it shouldn't be allowed to be published. Not banned or illegal. >.>

No, that's really something completely different. Watching CSI doesn't make you into a murderer. That train of thought is just ridiculous.



That's pretty much the same ~~

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