please don't remove existing / reject upcoming novels, be it LN or WN...
I'm supporting the genre filter idea for these category

If you end up removing webnovels and keeping published LNs, what about when a WN gets published as an LN, but the translations we get in English are based on the WNs?

At least in that case you could let us keep the WNs, and add WNs with translations if they get an LN.

But I'd still prefer if you left all novels, webnovels and light novels alike. There is already a huge hurdle for both of them--that someone starts to translate them! There's so much overlap between WNs an LNs as it is that only difference from our perspective really is just whether you have deadtree version; both kinds get translated, after all.

Right. That's what I was doing, giving feedback. I am of the opinion that taking down novels(which is essentially what will happen, even if they will be keeping some) is a rash move and that they should try the filtering option first. After all, this shouldn't be an issue of keeping MU a manga-centric site, it was brought about by the inconvenience of the influx of novels cluttering up the release page. Why shouldn't we try sorting up stuff a bit first before throwing things away? This way everybody should be happy(except those who hate novels).

And giving comments(heated or otherwise) is not irrational specially since they themselves are expressly asking us to do so. We all realise that MU is a free site and we are all grateful. Expressing our opinion on how it should be improved is a sign that we are.

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I have to say... thank goodness! So tired of all the amount of backtracking done for these web novels people keep submitting for release. And I agree with everything. Pixiv is self-published, not officially, so those doujins should not be accepted. Same goes with WEB novels. Too many readers are jumping the gun about the novel bit because it's the only word they're focusing on: novel. MU is supposed to be manga-related and somewhere along the way we lost that through the ridiculous influx of novels over the last year. As for webtoons, we've been allowing that for years so I would treat them as we have the majority in the database: if they're hosted on the popular sites like Naver, etc then they should continue to be allowed.

Artbooks... depends. If they're related to previous work, they should be allowed since they ARE manga/manhua/manwha related.

People are understandably upset, but they need to be reasonable and understand: manga-related content is why this website was started in the first place. The web novel thing has just gotten out of hand. If it's not manga-related, it shouldn't be here. Simple as that.

How about keeping what is listed now and not accepting new stuff? That way the people who are tracking ln/wn on this site won't be screwed over by having it removed and the ones that want to go back to pure manga/manga related stuff will be happy since the number of non-manga related stuff will not increase. This is the best compromise that I can think up for the LN/WN as for the Doujinshi I will leave it up to someone else to try and think up a compromise since I don't read or understand it. As for web comics, based off of TKS's post they are not a problem.

This increase of novels in the "releases" section bothers me as well, since I'm not interested in them, but.... why not just filter them? Why not implement a "Type" filter? It would work for novels, manga, manhwa, manhua, webtoons, doujinshi, oneshots. This way the people that like them will keep following them, and the people that don't won't see them ever again. It's a win-win situation.

But I support the narrowing of doujinshi accepted to the site.

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My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion

I can agree to this. Keep what's already here and block what has yet to come. A fair compromise.

First, I would want to clarify few things.
1) Since you said that only derivative works are considered doujinshi here, does that mean that your proposed rules change will not affect so-called "original doujins"?

2) Announcement does not make it clear if proposed rules change will apply to all novels or only web novels. Do you intend to limit all novels or only a subtype of them?

3) Do you intend to remove any of the previously present information/entries from the database, or only reject the newly added ones?

But anyhow, I don't understand why you would want to remove/limit useful information when it is relevant to interests of significant part of your userbase. You would just lose part of your followers and gain nothing in return.
If it's an issues of not having enough people to sort and monitor new entries and change requests, then you should recruit additional staff from long-time Updaters, rather than narrow scope of the site.

All in all, I agree with this comment:

You do realize that many LN can trace their roots to WN. The criteria that they are planning to use " We will only be accepting novels that are directly related to existing manga, manhwa, or manhua (according to MU)" means that many novels will be removed. I think the criteria that they should use on whether to accept a novel:-

1) Has actually been published

or

2) Is posted on a major site (for instance http://syosetu.com/) and is complete or at least has regular updates

or

3) Is posted by an author with published work.

Is this up for debate? Is it worth the time to try and change your mind?

I would very much prefer if the novels stayed. I realize they increase the workload for our mods in the long run, especially with some translators dumping 4 to 5 chapters a day. However it's still manageable IMO. If at all necessary you could get more trustworthy mods. With the premise of otherwise removing novels there should be enough volunteers.

Doujinshi on the other hand.. It would be great it they stayed ofcourse. Frankly though, I don't see a need to track updates for them. They're basically standalone shorts. And thus are even more tedious to save and check in this database. If possible doujinshi should have a somewhat separate existence on this site. For example without creating new series entries and solely managed by updaters themselves.

Just because it's a major site doesn't make it official.
Pixiv is pretty big itself, too, so when you argue that syosetsu should be allowed, then pixiv should be, too, and then we're back at square one.
A line has to be drawn. And if that means to sacrifice novels, so be it. This is a site for MANGA.

I know novels, or rather web novels have boomed in the last year(s), but all of the people complaining about the changes are simply biased, since they're the novel reading fanbase.
Just fucking make your own update page for novels and stop whining about your own inconvenience.

I vote for the completely removal of all stuff that's not manga/manhua/manwha (same medium, just different countries, so its safe). NO EXCEPTIONS.


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So you are saying that things that have been on the website for over 9 years should be removed too? That is a little harsh. I can see that the rise in web novel can be considered a problem but not enough to remove all LN and WN from the site. I think stopping new WN from being added to the site is the best solution. For those who want an up to date database they can go make a new website for that. If something has to be removed just leave it at the WN, since removing all LN from the website will cause some works to be lost forever....(probably).

But that is just my opinion.

Uh, and? If they have been published by official publishers (as a light novel) and are related to manga, they stay. The admin never said the word "remove". He and the rest of the admins could very well keep the existing novels and reject future submissions.

This novel business has really blurred too many lines when it shouldn't have. Keyword: MANGA.

I would like to see the novels kept on the site but that's because I've found some here that I enjoy reading. For me the criteria are a bit vague on what counts as official accepted material because as I read it it means only stuff that has a manga, manhwa or any other kind off related origin stays. There are some web novels that got popular so they got a light novel published and then some of them got made into manga and/or anime so how would you include/exclude one?

I totally get why people that do not read novels and or webcomics get mad about all the novels cluttering the releases and such but as suggested before a filtering option could work for it at least that is what I hope or a new novel section on the site.

As for Doujinshi I do not really read them so I do not really have an opinion about the policy changes there but if it is about the amount of moderation for both Doujinshi and novels you guys will do what you want and I'll still keep this site to keep track of manga. I'm guessing that most of the comments about novels posted here are so passionate because this site is so good at keeping things updated and the ease of having every of their interests in one place.

Thanks I was trying to think of some way that would keep people who use the site happy while not putting too much strain on the mod's.