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Is this shoujo or josei?

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eternalight
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I noticed this has been continuously marked shoujo even though the scanlators Kumapillow said it was josei.
I've changed the MU page of this from Shoujo to Josei before but someone has changed it back to shoujo. Does anyone know anything about this? I don't want to keep fighting whoever is messing with the MU page.

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I'm locking the genres to shoujo. It's published in Aria, so it's shoujo regardless of what the scanlator would say

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I'm locking the genres to shoujo. It's published in Aria, so it's shoujo regardless of what the scanlator would say

Actually, this may be incorrect. Japanese wikipedia article for this magazine says that it is aimed at females in their twenties:
"読者対象 - 20代女性" in the infobox.
This would place it firmly in the Josei category. It also has "Josei manga magazine" (女性漫画雑誌) category at the bottom.

At the same time, English wikipedia says that it is a Shoujo/Josei mixed demographics magazine. Eng wikipedia is usually less reliable, but in this case their source for Shoujo demographics is ANN article and ANN is considered reliable (or is it?).

I'm not quite sure if this is a pure Josei magazine, but it's certainly not just Shoujo.

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I'm the one who changed it back to shoujo, because I also saw the scanlator's post and her basis for saying the story is josei was "the plot seemed too mature for shoujo so I changed the field on Batoto to josei." However, MU lists Aria as a shoujo, which I figured was more reliable than someone's personal opinion.

As for what the official (Japanese) stance on Aria is, I'm afraid I have no clue; I only know what they say about it on English sources, as my Japanese isn't good enough understand the intricacies of what's on the Japanese wiki. If we decide that Aria should be tagged as shoujo, or josei, or both, of course I'll comply. But I still don't agree that the readers' opinion of a manga's demographic should be take into account, considering the differences in cultural values and whatnot between the English-speaking world and Japan, not to mention what seems to be differences in opinion between different Japanese publishers about what's suitable for which age group.

Perhaps when it comes to this particular series, the best way to go by would be whether it has furigana or not? No furigana = josei, with furigana = shoujo. That said, I haven't seen the raws for Zenra Otoko Shibainu Otoko, so I don't know which it is.

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Can we have this marked as Shoujo and Josei?

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Perhaps when it comes to this particular series, the best way to go by would be whether it has furigana or not? No furigana = josei, with furigana = shoujo.


Shoujo that runs in Cookie have no furigana either. They suddenly made that change on me, and I hated their guts for awhile. I suck at reading kanji but even I know enough of it to be able to read that magazine without too much struggle, so I imagine most younger girls could manage quite easily. We can't use that as a basis for determining whether something is shoujo or not.






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The basic gist is this:

If it runs in a shojo/shonen/whatever magazine, then that's what the story is labeled as regardless of content.

Most shojos are stereotypically about first loves, high school romances and flowers, but there are some that are dark & bloody like X/1999for example, or keeping with CLAMP,Kobato.is a seinen and Drug & Drop was too but Kobato had a more shojo-ish feel and Drug & Drop has a very heavy homoerotic undertone.
Or Yumekui Kenbun started off in a shojo magazine and ended up in a shonen.

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Yes, but this manga in question runs in a magazine that publishes both shoujo and josei. Same with mangas like Nana, which ran in Cookie. (This site lists it as shoujo, but my warped mind refuses to believe that content was meant for high school girls.)

I still think it's silly to create gender barriers for manga in this day and age. But a majority of stuff in Aria is classified as shoujo. I would have to agree with lambchopsil on this one.

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Shoujo that runs in Cookie have no furigana either. They suddenly made that change on me, and I hated their guts for awhile.

Cookie might be another magazine with mixed demographics.

Japanese wiki lists it as Shoujo, but lets leave this aside for now. Eng wikipedia says that it is Shoujo/Josei mixed demographics magazine. Eng wiki may not be a reliable by itself, but its source for Josei demographics is this:
http://www.j-magazine.or.jp/magadata/index.php?module=list& action=list&cat1cd=2&cat3cd=30&period_cd=34

That page lists Aria and Cookie among other magazines that are certainly Josei, like: BE LOVE (Kodansha), Cocohana (Shueisha), Feel Young (Shodensha), Flowers (Shogakukan), Kiss (Kodansha).

Btw, Melody (by Hakusensha) and Dessert (by Kodansha) are listed there and they seem to be other magazines with Shoujo/Josei mixed demographics.

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