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12:12 pm, Sep 22 2017
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The amount of resistance to removing a slur is sickening.

It's not like we're asking for an entire category, like futanari, to be removed. As far as I know, the only people who will run across that kind of content are those who seek it, and since this website's function is to assist people on their manga-finding quests, no matter how offensive the material may be, then that's permissible.

The problem is that this is an intrinsic part of MU's account personalization process. Those thinking OP is a troll or an attention seeker need to put their critical thinking caps on and re-read their first post. Going through the effort to privately inform administrators of the issue, and turning to the forums to ask why said administrators failed to give them any sort of response, is NOT the order someone who merely wants attention would do things.

To those who have taken the time to read OP's first message and proclaim they don't care, you have shed some light as to why the administrators have failed to say a word, but as far as I'm concerned your relevance to the topic ends there. It's sad to see this thread derail into another place for immature people to vent their "anti-sjw" frustrations.


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Post #703301 - Reply to (#703278) by lihmao
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Welcome to the real world, you know, the one adults live in.

The world doesn't revolve around you, me, or any other delicate special interests group/s.......it's damned harsh out there, you're just going to have to quit your whining and toughen up. Best thing I can tell ya.

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As someone part of the LGBT community you SJW types really make it hard for other people to take us seriously.

Post #703305 - Reply to (#703304) by Cthylla
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As someone part of the LGBT community you SJW types really make it hard for other people to take us seriously.


And as someone who's also apart of the LGBT+ community I'm well aware of how our "community" has a tendency to throw transgender, intersex, and nonbinary people to its margins it its attempt to become more "palatable" to straights. no

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Welcome to the real world, you know, the one adults live in.

The world doesn't revolve around you, me, or any other delicate special interests group/s.......it's damned harsh out there, you're just going to have to quit your whining and toughen up. Best thing I can tell ya.


I don't need a welcoming into whatever supine world you live in, thank you. In mine I see plenty of examples of things getting changed only because so-called special interest groups spoke up. Clearly your "real world" experience is limited if you think dismissing an issue as whining is going to convince someone to drop it. bigrazz

Also, as a side note, don't confuse delicacy with a desire to be treated with respect, yeah? I don't know if you've ever had slurs hurled at you in real life, but I'm never passive in response. That only gives people the idea that it's okay to infringe upon your boundaries even more (possibly leading to physical assault).

Post #703307 - Reply to (#703305) by Calamansi
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Hey, what's tomorrow's word that's gonna be the end of everything if you can't get your way and have everybody quit saying, "spaghetti" maybe? Is that a "slur" too? Did I just commit the most horrific faux pas ever by saying "spaghetti" to you? Tell me, I just gotta know, we'll by God get a letter campaign going and Che Guevara the shit out of Merriam Webster and demand the word "spaghetti" be stricken from all human knowledge for ever more.

I swear to God, if I didn't know you were serious as a heart attack I'd think I was watching some of the best satire I'd seen in years.

You really need to learn how to pick your fights better smile

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Firstly, I just want to say how much I loved all the posts made by Calamansi in this topic and that I endorse everything they said.

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I'm sorry, truly am, for whatever happened in your life that made you into this sad, bitter little person, but I hope you get help and then instead of using your time to make people feel as bad as you do you use it for the better - yours and the world.

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As someone part of the LGBT community you SJW types really make it hard for other people to take us seriously.

As someone who is also part of the LGBTQIA+ community and one of the groups that receives quite a lot of hate/incomprehension by the community itself, unfortunately you giving your back to a fellow queer person doesn't come as a surprise. Two points though:

1) You do know what you are saying is bs, right? OP made a perfectly reasonable post and the FIRST reply was yours, being completely disrespectful and not taking it seriously from the start. So don't go puting the blame in "us SJW types" for your (and the other's) insensibility and apathy.

2) Name ONE right a minority got by waiting for the society/dominant group to "wake up" on its own. We never got anything by bowing down and hoping someday a scrap falls off the table. Women and black people (just to name one example) only got able to vote after much, much fighting and I'm sure someone must have said something along those lines of yours. What a disservice you make.

Back to the topic: WHY are you people so against people being respected? What difference in your lives does it make the removal of "hermaphrodite" from the options? It is a simple enough question, really.

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Post #703314 - Reply to (#703307) by svines85
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Hey, what's tomorrow's word that's gonna be the end of everything if you can't get your way and have everybody quit saying, "spaghetti" maybe? Is that a "slur" too? Did I just commit the most horrific faux pas ever by saying "spaghetti" to you? Tel ...


This was so corny it made me laugh. All derogatory words have a history behind them that your ignorance doesn't negate. And you're the only person interpreting this as a fight lmao. But that makes it clear why you've been so aggressive in your posts. I hope you can one day learn how to have civil discussions with people from different backgrounds. Until then, eek whatever pitiable enjoyment you can out of trolling, I guess.

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Firstly, I just want to say how much I loved all the posts made by Calamansi in this topic and that I endorse everything they said.


Thank you! You've also been on point, and it's good to hear from another voice in the MU community that isn't apathetic, and possesses some actual background knowledge.

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This thread initially began with people objecting to the specific term, and now has been reduced to people throwing barbs at each other for differing opinions. To respond to the initial point about the word "hermaphrodite," the term "intersex" is not widely known and has nearly the same definition as "hermaphrodite," that is a person whose sexual characteristics are both male and female in some capacity. While it is true that there are some bizarre myths regarding "hermaphrodites," the same is true of many other minorities (for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphobia ). All that this thread is doing is having people get red in the face about semantics.

Post #703317 - Reply to (#703315) by blackluna
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I think your analysis is a bit too shallow. You see an argument over diction; I see one over respecting people's identities, and the guidance of the authoritative institutions that serve to represent them. This thread is also bringing more people into the discussion, so more people will at least be informed of the term intersex. The condition is much more prevalent than say, conjoined twins, but I've come across more people with more knowledge on the latter. .

You'll have to clarify for me, what your intention was in bringing up myths about other minorities. Are you trying to say that just because "the hermaphrodite" has had mythological connotations, that doesn't make the term offensive because other minorities have been the subject of dehumanizing myths?

Also, my hope is that this thread stays alive long enough until an administrator eventually responds and gives us some sort of answer. They've been rather talkative on the threads about spam as of late, so I highly doubt they're unaware this thread even exists. :/

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I would be on board if a bunch of itnersexed people came on to say it offended them but all I have seen are a bunch of attention hogs trying to rile people up because they have nothing better to do.

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@lihmao - Who told you I was "little"?!! biggrin

Ah, seriously, this is more funny than anything else.........sad-funny, but funny nonetheless.....not to mention the OP, everybody else, had walked away from this thread, you necro'd it after it'd been sitting for over 2 weeks, apparently so you could do something like this >_<

Yeah, as has been alluded to, what you're really doing is making the people you claim to be supporting look bad. You are the one that's coming off as intolerant, belligerent, and making unreasonable demands, which then has the reverse effect of fostering even more completely unfair animosity.

You and Calamansi, trying to paint what was obviously meant as an offhand, literally one-word joke directed at no one, as some kind of personal affront.....yeah, you two are doing faaaar more harm than good. I personally know better......I know what you two are........but a whole lot of people who might've otherwise been receptive (or hopefully at the very least ambivalent) will have listened to you two and hardened their positions against.

You two are playing the personal agenda game, if you were really paying attention you'd have known long ago that the majority of the community just wanted to be left alone to live as they wanted and not attract all this undue attention to begin with.

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Post #703328 - Reply to (#703327) by svines85
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Semi-constructive criticism! I thank you for that. You've brought up a good point; I'm not aware of anyone bringing up the issue before, so I added my voice knowing full well that the majority of people here may be apathetic. But that's why I went through the effort of replying to the OP - because no, I didn't know such an option was available, and yes, I do see the problem with it. I was a member of a LGBT+ student organization in a very conservative college, and we could hardly ever get anything done without petitions. Because those with the power to make change were only ever interested in appeasing us, a minority, if we could gain the support of more within the community. So I acted, wanting to pre-emptively refute the arguments of those who would inevitably say "nobody else cares".

It was never my intention to make intersex people look bad, or even imply that only intersex people are affected by this. Intersex doesn't have a "look", so sometimes androgynous people will be targeted with the word in a derogatory way - and androgynous people come from all paths of life. However, it's harmful to the intersex community in particular because it implies that existing outside of a biological sexual binary denotes one as some sort of ridicule-worthy "other".

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Just walking through here, but it seems weird that we're having this discussion at all. I thought that your type disavowed the idea that biological sexual organs had anything to do with your gender at all. So why aren't you mad that this list is based on sexual organs instead of gender and campaigning for it to be made like that?

Post #703333 - Reply to (#703332) by spiderbait
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What do you mean by "your type"?

Sarcasm aside, people are all individuals... what you're talking about is something even people within the LGBT community disagree on. I don't like the fact that hermaphrodite is included as a joke, simple as that. I live in an area where standardized tests, school documents, medical documents, etc. only include the options male and female, so I hardly expect a manga website to try to be more inclusive. Sure, I think it would be nice, but... you have to know how to set realistic goals. And to me, requesting to have single offensive option removed seems pretty "reasonable" compared to an overhaul on how MU allows you to select your gender. Getting something as drastic as the latter changed typically requires real activism, which you aren't really going to accomplish over the internet.


Post #703376 - Reply to (#703333) by Calamansi
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I don't like the fact that hermaphrodite is included as a joke, simple as that.


Because you don't have a sense of humor and sadly live your life with your politics on your sleeve. The real problem with people like you is that you overreact to THE MOST INANE things when completely ignoring the actual issues that affect your community. It's quite sad to watch.

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